Posted on 05/28/2006 10:29:28 AM PDT by Jameison
The Washington Post reports this morning that prospects for the Senate's immigration package are dimming, due to House members' concerns about November's election:
Republican House members facing the toughest races this fall are overwhelmingly opposed to any deal that provides illegal immigrants a path to citizenship -- an election-year dynamic that significantly dims the prospects that President Bush will win the immigration compromise he is seeking, according to Republican lawmakers and leadership aides. Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) will not allow a vote on a House-Senate compromise that does not have the support of most GOP lawmakers or one that would undermine the reelection chances of his at-risk members, aides said. According to GOP lawmakers and strategists, about 75 percent of the 231 House Republicans are steadfastly opposed to the Senate bill or even a watered-down version of it.
The Post's article cites poll's that supposedly show strong support for the administration's plan, but, as one House member says, "they must not be polling anyone in [my] District."
(Excerpt) Read more at powerlineblog.com ...
"Path to citizenship." Anybody else getting tired of this line?
Jeeze! Where'd you get those figures? I'd like to see the study, and forward it to dopey liberal acquaintances of mine.
And the thing about people of your "ilk" is that if you could...you would. But you can't, so you don't.
Here are some facts....I said the following "And all three of those countries have a very healthy and large immigrant population.
As of the 2000 census (latest I could find on short notice) Singapore's population of 4 million included 750,000 "non-residents". As noted earlier, Taiwan's "non-resident" population was 500,000 out of a population of 22 million, and South Korea has an immigrant population numbering 440,000 in 2003 (not including an estimated 300,000 illegal workers) out of 48 million. So of the three, your best case is definitely South Korea. My best is Singapore. However, my original statement stands as written.
Yes.. So Cal all my life, right now in Buena Park in Orange Co.
I thank you for your reasoned response! I am not prepared or desirous to go into a long debate. I would add that in the relative short term opportunities (jobs, investments, etc.) will cause many in the USofA to copy the Mexican, only they will be moving south. Would your "wall" keep them in the country or allow them to migrate?
You know that Pence's bill is vastly superior to that of the Senate bill.
C'mon now sinkspur
Singapore strickly controlls its immigration and guest workers, none of the guest workers in Singapore will ever have a chance to become citizens. As for Tiwans non resident population, what percentage of them are from mainland China, with possible refugee status?
As for South Korea, where did you get your facts and figures? I suppose they have some "guest" Chinese workers, but overall percentage of immigrants in South Korea is around 1% of the population. Again, your "arguements" fall flat on their face, as is the case with anyone who supports open borders.
I used to waste time trying to figure out what people like you are talking about. I have since learned that you're really just playing a silly game that isn't worth joining. In this case, I make a clear statement. I repeat it several times with specific support. You create a bunch of your own qualifiers for the statement and then tell me my "arguements" fall flat on their face.
I've wasted enough time playing games with people like you lately. You seem to be more than capable of creating and arguing against your own "arguements". Enjoy yourself.
Some you fellas on here to be more careful about what you write. A LOT of folks are VERY upset about this. You make some ignorant, smart-aleck comment like the above on a regular basis and you're going to live to regret it. You and your bunch are NOT going to tell those who are angry about inaction on immigration that they have to accept YOUR philosophy about how to deal with the problem. It is obvious that the majority of government representatives are only pandering to the big-money interests who are becoming wealthy from the cheap illegal immmigrant labor.
I did not recently come on board, by the way. If you will research my posts back through the years, my MAIN issue has been the illegal immigration issue and I have posted story after story about the massive, negative impact on our society and have basically been ignored. And, here's one more:
Illegal immigrants who open investment accounts with a bank or brokerage using their passport number, etc. instead of a Social Security number do NOT have their income from that account reported to the IRS for tax purposes. Spouses who have an illegal alien spouse can share that account and none of the income in that account is reported for tax purposes.
Don't tell me about selecting leadership. Anyone who defends leadership which has put the above type of rules in place along with the hundreds of other items I could mention that are disenfranchising and bankrupting those of us who are legal and follow the rules needs his/her head examined.
A huge majority of Republicans voted for all three major Civil Rights Acts (1964, 1965, and 1968) and then voted for the Equal Rights Amendment in 1972.
Did blacks and feminists rush to the GOP to thank them for this support? Nope! Both became bedrock Democrat support groups, giving the Dems as much as 90% of their votes.
All the GOP will get for voting to create a "path to citizenship" for the illegals already here, while increasing the number of immigrants coming here in the future, is a larger block of Democrat voters. The President's proposal is a disaster for the GOP, for conservatism, and for the survival of America as a first world Western nation.
"Exactly - we need to find 6 replacement voters though who won't quit."
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If GWB signs something with Amnesty or "earned pathway to citizenship" you'll get your wish...12,000,000 x 16 voters....mostly Dum-o-crats
Are you threatening me?
"A LOT of folks are VERY upset about this."
Yep. And according to texaslil, 6 members of his/her family have decided to never vote again. That makes them quitters. Period dot. I have no idea what they hope to accomplish by removing themselves from the democratic process, but I do know that quitting never fixes anything. If their logic tells them quitting is a viable solution, I certainly don't want them choosing leaders for this nation. I'm not interested in being led by a quitter.
Sorry, I meant to ping you to the above post.
"If you don't think China and India are a long-term threat to the U.S. economically (and therefore militarily someday), you are sorely mistaken."
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It's you who are mistaken.
But...but...they have "most favored Nation status" in trade...
and...gee....globalization is GREAT!
Keep on buying chicom-crap at Walmart.
If the Senate bill passes, then our nation will be well on its way to becoming a one party banana republic. Imagine California's politics nationwide. Leftist Democrat majorities in both houses of Congress as far as the eye can see. Leftist Democrat presidents as far as the eye can see, with the occasional exception of a "moderate" Republican, assuming he has popularity from some other venue (similar to Arnold). A permanent and shrinking conservative minority in the central part of the nation, and a few southern states. North Carolina, with 14 electoral votes, being the largest GOP leaning state, Texas and Florida having gone the way of California sometime around 2012 or so.
Anyplace where one requires alarms, motion detecting lights and chains for the outside furniture has long since - in my book - passed from being "wonderful" to something - well - far FAR less "wonderful". Frankly, I would not would to live anywhere _near_ there.
Why do you stay?
Is this "the future" for the rest of America, as well?
- John
You really don't expect him to provide a straight answer to a simple question like that, now, do you?
Because the open borders advocates will never (repeat, NEVER) come right out and say that they support unlimited immigration, illegal or otherwise.
But that's EXACTLY what they support. If any one of them reading this posting takes issue, let him or her state otherwise, without categorization.
I'm convinced that the open borders crowd on here take the positions they do because they - like the ecomonic and cultural elites that are pushing for the destruction of our country - have a financial hand in it.
What other reason could there _possibly_ be?
- John
And yes, if the invasion continues the problem will spread. IMHO
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