Posted on 05/26/2006 2:31:43 PM PDT by VU4G10
WASHINGTON - The White House on Friday said a Senate bill that would grant legal status to illegal immigrants is analogous to a traffic law that allows a speeder to pay a fine and continue driving.
"If you had a traffic ticket and you paid it, you're not forever a speeder, are you?" White House Press Secretary Tony Snow said in response to questions from The Examiner.
"So the fact is, you have paid your debt to society," he added. "And we have come up with a way to make sure that the debt to society gets paid. Then you move forward."
The "traffic ticket" analogy raised eyebrows on Capitol Hill, where many House Republicans regard illegal immigration as a grave crime.
"I don't know if Tony meant to trivialize it or not," said Will Adams, spokesman for Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo. "But it's certainly misleading."
"The penalty for a speeding ticket is a fine," he added. "The penalty for being here illegally is being removed from this country. But the president doesn't want illegal aliens to go home."
Snow emphasized that illegals would have to pay fines, learn English and wait years for a chance at full citizenship. But Adams called that "a slap on the hand" compared to deportation.
"Here's a more apt analogy," he said. "You get stopped for speeding, and you say to the cop: "Hey listen, you're about to give me a $300 ticket. How about we make it 20 bucks and just call it even?"
Snow predicted that House Republicans would eventually drop their opposition to the Senate bill, which passed Thursday. The bill, which includes a guest worker program that would grant legal status to aliens, is headed to a conference committee for possible reconciliation with a House bill aimed at beefing up border security.
Snow suggested the guest worker program could be sold to even ardent opponents like Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wisconsin, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.
"Chairman Sensenbrenner, who's got some real problems with various aspects, has said publicly that the temporary worker program has merit," Snow said.
"There are areas in which members of the House are going to agree with the president," he added. "I certainly don't want to be speaking for Chairman Sensenbrenner, but the fact is, you know politics."
But Sensenbrenner appeared unmoved.
"What's going on now, in calling it a pathway to citizenship or earned legalization, is not honest because it is amnesty," he said at a news conference.
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Bullbleep. The only ones this might be true for are the children. Any adults perpetrate many different kinds of document fraud just in daily business (and yes--most of those ARE felonies). And the billions of dollars they suck up in social services are theft, pure and simple.
But you're a FROBL, so you'll just ignore all that.
1. Act passes
2. House GOP members lose in November (along, perhaps with GOP Senators)
3. Dem House issues articles
4. Dem Senate convicts
Would you still feel the same way if it was YOUR identity that was stolen?
Good point---unfortunately, will help Democrats win.
I'm not worried. Any sonofabitch who continues to vote against the will of the people will most definitely have a rival running against him/her. It will be fun voting against incumbent traitors.
I compare the Senate to a rotten cancer that needs to be cut out and disposed of.
IOW Amnesty. You seem to have allowing them to stay confused with citizenship. These people do NOT want citizesnship.
The idea that it is "too hard" to deport all the illegals is for defeatists.
Letting them stay here legally afterhaving broken our laws is AMNESTY.
He's sold his soul for the potential for a vastly increased income later on....
What is it about America that you can't stand that makes you want to change it so much?
Since we have an estimated 11 million illegals here now, most of whom (I'll say 8 million) are from Mexico/Central America/South America (M/CA/SA) and we assume the rest are from other parts of the world, we need to balance that out? Right? That leaves a differential of 8 million.
So. First, we secure our southern border and northern border. Then, taking up to 3 million legal immigrants, who meet our qualifications, per year from these other ethnic regions around the world. (Note: we are not taking 3 million each, but a total of three million each year till they reach that 8 million goal per ethinc region):
1. The European Union/Great Britain
2. Eastern Europe
3. Russia/The Balkan States
4. China
5. Western Asia
6. Southern Asia
7. The Middle East
8. The African Tribal Nations
9. South Africa
10. New Zealand/Australia/South Pacific
11. The Eskimo/Aleut/Northern Peoples
12. The Carribean
That's the best I can come up with. Any more?
In the meantime (you knew there was one of those, didn't you?) we put a moratorium on immigration from the M/CA/SA region until that quota of 8 million from each of those other regions is met bringing in a limit of 3 million per year regardless of the makeup.
That means we have to bring in 96 million from those other 12 regions. Dividing that by 3 million means that the moratorium on the M/CA/SA region would last 32 years.
So, now you're on record siding with the Democrats and the Republican liberals in the Senate against the conservative Republicans in the Senate and House. You do know that the Senate bill was passed primarily by Democrats with a handful of Republican sell-outs thrown in to pass it. Funny how it turns out that you always seem to be siding with the Democrats and liberals on this conservative forum. Why is that?
Well, I give you points for a unique idea. As long as those folks were spread out across the nation and not consolidated in one region, I might be convinced over time.
I remember crashing a required, State of California "sexual harrassment" class for all CA state employees. The feminist instructor made the analogy that you can't complain if you are cited for a "harrassing" comment, and be able to defend it by saying many others do it. Just like speeding, she said, not everyone gets caught and the fact that others are not cited isn't a defense against being cited.
I raised my hand and pointed out that there are no speed laws in most of Europe. The lady went ballistic and she had State Police escort me from the building. Glad I don't work for the State and have to tow the line.
No Tony, the analogy is more like not filing or paying your income tax. And when you get caught, the IRS doesn't give you amnesty. They freeze your bank accounts, garnish your wages, seize your property, and throw you in jail. Sometimes till you die, right Al Capone?
Tony also said that the enforcement issue is now behind us since the President is sending 6000 National Guard troops to the border to wash Border Patrol trucks and patch up the fences the aliens cut the night before. Yeah, right.
I often wonder what it is in the Beltway water that makes heretofore sane and logical people become babbling buffoons. Tony Snow used to be a straight shooter; now within two weeks he has become a caricature more fitting for a Simpson's episode. Maybe we should start calling him Smithers.
What is even sadder is that in his own mind Tony considers himself in touch with us average slobs. This is a guy who for the last 25 years wines and dines with Presidents and senators and elitist insiders, who picks up the phone and gets big shots to answer. There are no day labor dorm houses next door that he worries about, and the clientle at the White House mess is rather different from what we run into on our slurppie run to the 7-11 or the english-free zone at the local Wal-Mart.
What is even sadder is the lecturing and talking-down we now get from him. He and these amnesty morons will find out how stupid we are come November when we stay home or just vote for the brave Congressmen who will stop this nonsense (unless Karl I-almost-blew-a-sure-election-to-a-Massachusetts-moron Rove further opens up the pork barrel with earmark bribes).
Thanks Tony. Good to know how stupid you think we are.
Well now, a glimmer of light breaks through.
Then I said to myself, you know what, if you wanted to press the issue, you've got plenty of ammo.
Uh oh...hear we go.
Click the link wise a--.
Click this.
If you could make your point you wouldn't NEED to hand out reading assignments.
I never made such an absurd claim and you know it.
That doesn't mean you're "forever a speeder".
It just means you repeatedly committed the same offense.
This is not the same a person who sneaks across the border once, and then simply lives here.
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