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Wanted: 1,000 gay brothers (Barf Alert!)
In Newsweekly ^ | May 17, 2006 | Patty Caya

Posted on 05/26/2006 12:40:46 PM PDT by DBeers

Wanted: 1,000 gay brothers


Large new study that seeks to find evidence of linkages to sexual orientation requires many participants

Researchers are attempting to discover a genetic linkage to sexual orientation by studying one thousand pairs of gay brothers. This five-year study being conducted by researchers from Evanston Northwestern Healthcare Research Institute, Northwestern University and the University of Chicago will be the largest study of this kind and is sponsored by the National Institutes of Health.

This study follows a similar genetic study, conducted in the 1990s that found some genetic correlation for sexual orientation.

That original study was conducted with 40 pairs of brothers and revealed evidence that there might be a linkage. When subsequent research couldn't replicate these findings, the scientists realized that they weren't working with a large enough sample size to provide the statistical power required to advance the research.

Previous twin studies have pointed to evidence that the linkage is due to heredity rather than environmental factors, but until the researches can isolate the genes that directly affect sexual orientation, they can't be sure.

"Family studies tell you that something is familial, that things tend to cluster in families," says Dr. Alan Sanders, MD who heads the gay brothers research study. "Then we ask what else tends to cluster in families. Genes do."

There is not a lot of research in this area but, like most genetic research, it is controversial.

"Genetics is controversial, says Sanders. "And specifically sexuality research, but this is where there is a great deal of interest."

"Folks don't like this kind of research, that shows that sexual orientation is genetically based," he says. "It undermines the argument that it is a choice."

If they find a genetic link for sexual orientation, then the argument goes, you don't blame people because they have blue eyes, why would you blame them for their sexual orientation? This kind of research undermines the choice argument and that bothers some groups who are out to prove that sexual orientation is something one chooses.

The genetics that Sanders and his colleagues believe is responsible for sexual orientation is complex genetics where multiple genes and environmental factors contribute to the trait, as in the case with intelligence.

"Some folks might have enough of a genetic contribution that they are going to be very intelligent no matter what, others might have a better chance, but it will depend on key things in the environment," he says. "That's the way a lot of things are that we study,"

Researchers also say they believe that more than one gene is responsible, rather than a one-to-one correlation - as in heredity - for something like eye color.

"Genes do more than one thing," says Sanders. "They have more than one function. Maybe the gene that contributes to sexual orientation does something else as well."

He says each gene contributes a varying amount to each trait. This is especially true for behavioral traits and personality traits such as novelty seeking, aggression or violence. Not just one gene is involved.

Sanders says the biggest challenge with this kind of research is finding the one thousand pairs of gay brothers. He and his colleagues have been searching for participants for several years and have recently beefed up their recruiting efforts and expanded the search worldwide.

Participation is simple. Interested participants are first asked to fill out a brief questionnaire. Then, they submit a blood sample or DNA saliva test. "That's the hardest part, the thing that requires the most effort is having blood drawn," he says. "We're hoping to switch, to DNA samples from saliva soon. That should help out."

All information obtained from participants will be kept confidential and will not become part of any medical records Sanders says.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: aids; birthdefect; disease; homosexualagenda; junkscience; pervertperverts; perverts; pervertspervert
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To: Ichneumon
Birth defect, mental illness, or a choice...

Take your pick.

Researchers and people like you need to make up their minds so these people can get the psychiatric and medical treatment they need.

I see it as a social psychosis generated with Pavlovian behavioral conditioning in popular culture that caters to the lowest common denominator.

It is filthy, disease generating behavior, no matter how you see it and is not a part of human anatomical function.

81 posted on 05/26/2006 5:24:34 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Ichneumon

There is no defending the junk science primarily referenced on topic -I assume you intelligient enough to realize as much... My butting in postings to you simply seek to butt you out sooner than later to perhaps prevent ego saving clutter from contaminating the discussion...


82 posted on 05/26/2006 5:28:53 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: TommyUdo
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83 posted on 05/26/2006 5:45:05 PM PDT by Sister_T (Kenneth Blackwell for Governor of Ohio!)
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To: wolfcreek
"Folks don't like this kind of research, that shows that sexual orientation is genetically based," he says. "It undermines the argument that it is a choice."

What "folks" do you suppose they refer to here?

What is "it"?

What is "the argument"?

Is said argument only available in soundbites like this, or is there a compendium? How many arguments, more than one, two or three?

If they find a genetic link for sexual orientation, then the argument goes, you don't blame people because they have blue eyes, why would you blame them for their sexual orientation?

Here's "the argument" again. Hm. Maybe "the argument" could be that this malady is something to be _cured_. Does the writer sound amenable to this avenue? The dear reader should realize that "orientation" implies a priori genetic link, rather than any sort of free will?
84 posted on 05/26/2006 5:49:37 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: DBeers

AGH! I thought the nightmares of the immigration scene from South Park were finally over!


85 posted on 05/26/2006 7:58:12 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Old Professer

Is that Beaker?!?


86 posted on 05/26/2006 8:20:09 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: Freedom4US; DBeers
Here's "the argument" again. Hm. Maybe "the argument" could be that this malady is something to be _cured_. Does the writer sound amenable to this avenue? The dear reader should realize that "orientation" implies a priori genetic link, rather than any sort of free will?

You've hit on a question that I've been asking on FR for over a year (and if DBeers doesn't mind hearing it again, I'll ask): If there truly is a genetic inclination towards homosexuality, and we know that the drive to pass on genes is a fundamental expression of properly functioning genes, then why isn't homosexuality classified as a genetic disorder or abnormality? Disorders that we know are caused by missing an enzyme here or there are regularly treated. You wouldn't tell a Tay-Sachs patient, "Don't worry, dear. It's normal."

Must we be as dumb as the French think we are to allow these tiresome attacks on real science to get a pass?
87 posted on 05/26/2006 8:51:08 PM PDT by Das Outsider (Can you think of the last regime to order the removal of crosses from the public square?)
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To: Iam1ru1-2
Rosie and bro were brought up in the same family, and therefore maybe the one parent's lack of love or attention could have been involved in their sexual orientation.

Exactly. Anyone who's ever seen the classic effeminate, lisping, mincing, man-obsessed neurotic homosexual knows that what they're actually seeing is the reflection of the guy's mother (assuming, of course, that child wasn't adopted in San Francisco, NY, Boston, etc. by two classic effeminate, lisping, mincing, man-obsessed neurotic homosexuals). If that mother's behavior could produce one gay son, it could just as easily produce two (or a Lesbian, for that matter).

88 posted on 05/26/2006 9:05:25 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: DBeers
"Family studies tell you that something is familial, that things tend to cluster in families," says Dr. Alan Sanders, MD who heads the gay brothers research study. "Then we ask what else tends to cluster in families. Genes do."

As do learned behaviors

89 posted on 05/26/2006 9:08:14 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: DBeers

Genes that adversely affect reproduction are the most powerful force impacting programmed behavior. This is a universal fact, yet is ignored when expedience and politics offer to distort science for their own gain.


90 posted on 05/27/2006 4:30:16 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: DBeers
Bottom line:

Abnormal genetic predisposition towards a behavior does not automatically mean behavior must follow.

Same sex attraction is not an immutable trait like eye or skin color.

The behavior [to engage in same sex] is always a choice!
91 posted on 05/27/2006 6:00:28 AM PDT by dcnd9
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To: DBeers

When scientists look for signs of life, such as on Mars, they look for life forms that reproduce. Since gay sex cannot possibly reproduce another life, it is clear that gay sex is contrary to nature.
It is also a worldwide health problem, since it is the root cause of AIDS. Homosexuals and lesbians are not engaged in a "life style", they are undermining human existence.


92 posted on 05/27/2006 6:08:41 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: pleikumud
shhh... You make too much sense in the most basic of ways...

/end sarcasm

93 posted on 05/27/2006 8:54:05 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: MeanWestTexan; All

Twin studies have been done on this topic, as well as other familial studies. I can send a journal article from 2000 that analyzed an Australian twin sample. (Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 2000, Vol. 78, No. 3, 524-536) It's not for the entirely light of heart though, it's rather heavy duty epidemiology. It also contains many references to other studies, though I am limited to what I can access here. FReepmail me if you're interested.

This new study is different because they're specifically looking for genetic similarities. Asking for identical twins is rather invaluable because, well, they already know their DNA is identical, thus they're not interested in analyzing their DNA.


94 posted on 05/27/2006 2:41:51 PM PDT by mjwise
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To: mjwise

which exposes the fraud of the study.

If identical twins have the alleged gene but exhibit different behavior then they have a conclusion problem

This blatent flaw is just a way for these hacks to push their political agenda by requiring "further study". This reminds me of my university days of dealing with Phds who would divide their studies into three in order to have three "publish or perish" papers.

When done properly again and again the homosexual behavior gene is exposed as a myth of sxual behavior politics.


95 posted on 05/27/2006 4:58:06 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

I think the years of believing a pure genetic component to homosexuality have got to be long over at this point except for the most deluded activists. Even the original concordance studies (circa 1990) showed an identical twin concordance proportion of about 50% - far below the 100% needed for a simple, immutable genetic link.

That being said, there is almost a universe of knowledge to be learned from the human genome about heritable characteristics, so I don't think this is such a waste of time. Given, it probably is from a political point of view though - if there is a genetic component X which increases prevalence of homosexual behavior by a factor of Y, will that really change anything? There will be those that say "It's still a choice, end of story!" and those who say "We can't help it," both of them being somewhat right and somewhat wrong. But the knowledge is good, at least in my eyes.


96 posted on 05/27/2006 11:49:54 PM PDT by mjwise
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To: Ichneumon

The problem is that this study seems to be pre-determined; that is, they're starting the study with the intent of finding something purely biological as the cause of homosexuality. But the American Psychological Association has stated that many scientists view sexual orientation as due to a complex interaction of biological, psychological and social factors going back to early childhood. Why, then, are there no studies focusing on how environment can shape people sexually? Because gay activists have acknowledged that if people see sexuality as purely biological, they're more likely to be sympathetic and to see homosexuality as a civil rights issue.

In recent years, virtually all the studies on homosexuality have attempted to find a biological antecendent. These studies tend to be flawed in their methodology and usually fail replication.

Clearly, people don't choose how they feel, but that doesn't mean that those feelings are purely innate.

For over seventy years, the mental health establishment believed that there was a strong psychological component to homosexuality. I agree. It amazes me that all this data is ignored now.


97 posted on 05/28/2006 3:19:57 PM PDT by joseph2
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To: mjwise

what you are citing is the "fall back" position of the homoactivists.

NOOOOOW they say it is only partially responsible.

again UTTER HOG WASH in order to excuse their sexual fetish.

There is no wife swaping gene.
There is no pedophile gene.
There is no leather fetish gene.
There is no bondage gene.

Sorry but there is NOTHING to be gained by taxpayers paying for a bunch of homsoexuals to pretend to do science on the taxpayer's dime.

If homoadvocates were serious, they would be funding treatments because the genetic component means you can now abort"homosexual tendency" fetuses.

You could even have a deviant sex behavior vaccine.

But homosexual advocates are not set for those.

So please save the "genetic component" for the homosexual talking point parades.


98 posted on 05/29/2006 11:39:20 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
what you are citing is the "fall back" position of the homoactivists.

I'm not falling back on anything and I don't think my post implied that I was. Our understanding of the function of the human genome is in its infancy. That's all I said and all I meant.

In my opinion, homosexual attraction is probably rooted in a high-order, complex gene-environment interaction. But it doesn't "excuse" anything, it just explains the attraction. People are, of course, responsible for their choices. We all have biological urges - is the fact that the urges might be explained in part by genetics so hard to believe?

Understanding the human genome is not pretend science.
99 posted on 05/30/2006 11:05:49 PM PDT by mjwise
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