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What the Base Thinks [about illegal immigration]
Powerline ^ | May 25, 2006 | John Hinderaker

Posted on 05/26/2006 8:08:46 AM PDT by Tirian

The Bush administration and Republican Senators have badly misjudged both the attitudes of most Republicans (and, of course, most Americans) toward illegal immigration, and the intensity of those views. While we have opposed the Senate plan, we have been pretty mild-mannered about it. So I'm turning the microphone over to my friend Bob Cunningham. No one I know of argues immigration-related issues more cogently. Equally important, no one I know of conveys the white-hot anger and sense of betrayal that millions of Americans feel about this issue more effectively.

We know that this site is widely read in the White House and in Congress. To all Republicans in Washington: please, please read what follows with care, and understand that Bob speaks for most Americans and the overwhelming majority of Republicans:

Here's what they're missing, and it is the principal reason, in my opinion, WHY the anti-ILLEGAL forces are so upset -- and so powerful.

It has to do with the bad faith, calculated deceit, Orwellian propaganda, dishonest sophistry, misdirection, arrogance, presumption, indifference to, and, indeed, contempt for the beliefs of huge numbers of ordinary Americans -- including LEGAL immigrants and Hispanic natives! --- on the part of political/media elites.

Let's recognize that the political process has --- democratically --- designated the illegals AS illegal. Why? Because we, as a nation, decided that their presence -- NOT themselves per se (as the false attribution of racism would have it) --- but their presence in such numbers for such purposes (the phony Jobs Americans Won't Do/Jobs Americans Are Not Doing) is undesirable. There are perfectly reasonable grounds for that judgment. When did we vote for the Mexification of America? ANS.: NEVER....Indeed, going back to the 1965 immigration "reforms", assurances were REPEATEDLY given (Kennedy) that such reforms would NOT lead to an influx or demographic change. And guess what? The burden of proof is NOT on the nation to justify this stance.

Period. Full stop. End of discussion.

Since these elites don't like that decision now they want us to accept a fait accompli..and more! They feel perfectly justified in collaborating in the subversion of our democratically enacted immigration regime --- with crass, narrow, economic special interests and with others having perhaps more sinister designs. Their objectives --- open borders, a free flow of cheap labor --- are plain now for all to see. Some no longer even bother to pretend otherwise.

Given that, there is NO REASON to believe ANY of their promises --- the "wall," enforcement of "tough" conditions for a "path to legalization/citizenship" or limits in a "tough and smart" "temporary" "guest workers" indentured servant-helot program. We also know that the very underlying rationale itself for "temporary" "guest workers" (the economically illiterate JAWD/JAAND) is in DIRECT CONTRADICTION to ANY arbitrary "limits"....Indeed, the very claim itself that deportation is "impossible" renders the enforcement promises self-refuting! We should all ignore the false promises and intentional non-feasance in the past?...and do I even have to mention the Simpson-Mazzoli fraud? "This time it's different"?....we REALLY mean it now?....

The ultimate retort of the immigration celebrationists --- let us call it the "immigrants are good people" argument --- is totally beside the point. It is an assertion that no one would disagree with, but it is also an argument that has NO internal LIMITING PRINCIPLE. There is, on its own terms, no non-arbitrary basis for excluding ANY ONE of the 6 billion non-Americans. Other than criminal disqualification, most of them, are, indeed "good people"....so what?

Well, we already decided the question of numbers and limits...and the political/media elites, in conjunction with the scofflaw employers, do NOT have standing to subvert the democratic decision made, upon deliberation, several times in reliance on what we now can see were plainly false promises.

Never again.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; amnesty; borders; bushamnesty; cira; hinderaker; hr4437; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immgrantlist; immigration; immigrationillegal; invasionusa
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Helloooo, Washington - anybody listening?

Time does not permit me to elaborate how frustrating the DC/MSM spin on this has been. We know of several people who have gone through years of government bungling in order to legally emigrate to the US (including a woman who married an American overseas and become the stepmother of his children -- she was widowed when he died and wanted to return to the US to care for his children along with their grandmother, but was forced to go back to college by US Immigration to get additional degrees to be allowed to stay). Another case is that of a student who has been charged late fees for continuing residency applications that were sent in (and arrived) 2 months early but that the immigration people didn't bother to review until after the deadline had passed.

The sad part is that in both cases it might have been easier and cheaper to simply sneak across the border with Mexico and wait to be awarded amnesty...

1 posted on 05/26/2006 8:08:47 AM PDT by Tirian
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To: Tirian

Bump.


2 posted on 05/26/2006 8:10:56 AM PDT by Rocko (Post No Bills)
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To: Tirian

This time it's different"?....we REALLY mean it now?....



Exactly. Washington D.C. we simply do not trust you.


3 posted on 05/26/2006 8:12:02 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (When Ted Kennedy and HRC support you Mr. President, it's time for some soul searching)
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To: Tirian
Helloooo, Washington - anybody listening?

Insert Coin.
4 posted on 05/26/2006 8:12:54 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40

Press one for English.


6 posted on 05/26/2006 8:15:07 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: P-40

They are not listening and they could care less. The battle must be taken to the House where at all costs the Republic lies in peril.

Keep the powder dry. There is no enforcement intended as usual at all.
It is intended for us all to become slaves to the mighty elitists class.

And they smugly laugh at us from their perch.

Call the House and prepare for real America to hit the streets. We must and we shall.


7 posted on 05/26/2006 8:17:31 AM PDT by romanesq (.)
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To: Rocko

Time to turn out some Republicans. This means either don't vote, or vote for the Dem. So be it. Every few years those in power need an ass kicking. Stall this bill into the elections and see what the people really want. There is no reason to be in a hurry here. We are talking about the future of our country for decades to come. Lets find out what the totality of America really wants, not the sissy pols and their media pimps.


8 posted on 05/26/2006 8:17:43 AM PDT by tigtog
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To: trubluolyguy
Exactly. Washington D.C. we simply do not trust you.

Sobering truth. Sad but not unexpected and certainly, in light of what this recent snub to the American people and legal immigrants has been, shameful.
9 posted on 05/26/2006 8:17:53 AM PDT by Barney59 ("Time wounds all heels.")
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To: Tirian

Find your senator, Mine are in the scummicrat yes column.
VOTING FOR THE BILL
Akaka (D); Baucus (D); Bayh (D); Bennett (R); Biden (D); Bingaman (D); Boxer (D); Brownback (R); Cantwell (D); Carper (D); Chafee (R); Clinton (D); Coleman (R); Collins (R); Conrad (D); Craig (R); Dayton (D); DeWine (R); Dodd (D); Domenici (R); Durbin (D); Feingold (D); Feinstein (D); Frist (R); Graham (R); Gregg (R); Hagel (R); Harkin (D); Inouye (D); Jeffords (I); Johnson (D); Kennedy (D); Kerry (D); Kohl (D); Landrieu (D); Lautenberg (D); Leahy (D); Levin (D); Lieberman (D); Lincoln (D); Lugar (R); Martinez (R); McCain (R); McConnell (R); Menendez (D); Mikulski (D); Murkowski (R); Murray (D); Nelson (D, Fla.); Obama (D); Pryor (D); Reed (D); Reid (D); Sarbanes (D); Schumer (D); Smith (R); Snowe (R); Specter (R); Stevens (R); Voinovich (R); Warner (R); Wyden (D)

VOTING AGAINST THE BILL
Alexander (R); Allard (R); Allen (R); Bond (R); Bunning (R); Burns (R); Burr (R); Byrd (D); Chambliss (R); Coburn (R); Cochran (R); Cornyn (R); Crapo (R); DeMint (R); Dole (R); Dorgan (D); Ensign (R); Enzi (R); Grassley (R); Hatch (R); Hutchison (R); Inhofe (R); Isakson (R); Kyl (R); Lott (R); Nelson (D, Neb.); Roberts (R); Santorum (R); Sessions (R); Shelby (R); Stabenow (D); Sununu (R); Talent (R); Thomas (R); Thune (R); Vitter (R)

NOT VOTING
Rockefeller (D); Salazar (D)


10 posted on 05/26/2006 8:19:20 AM PDT by Waverunner
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To: trubluolyguy
I am in depression right now....I know what is going to happen in this country.....here in Denver...less than one third graduate from Denver Public schools...less than one third...and 50% of them are illegal aliens that don't speak English. I know what will happen in 5 years when we go thru another recession like we always do...there will be millions of uneducated illegals draining our system....we will lower our status...and dumb down America...its truly sad..sad...they just played taps on the radio for Memorial Day...its taps for America
11 posted on 05/26/2006 8:19:36 AM PDT by Youngman442002
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To: Waverunner

BUMP


12 posted on 05/26/2006 8:20:46 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Youngman442002

Evil happens when good men do nothing. It might soon be time for those erstwhile "rough men" to do their thing.


13 posted on 05/26/2006 8:21:06 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (When Ted Kennedy and HRC support you Mr. President, it's time for some soul searching)
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To: Tirian

..Rush Limbaugh's comments concerning Republican anger was not hyperbole...


14 posted on 05/26/2006 8:22:44 AM PDT by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: Tirian

15 posted on 05/26/2006 8:23:09 AM PDT by Antoninus (Ginty for US Senate -- NJ's primary day is June 6 -- www.gintyforsenate.org)
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To: Youngman442002
I am in depression right now

Not me. The only thing I enjoy more than a good fight is a bad one. :)
16 posted on 05/26/2006 8:23:36 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Tirian
Hello, please press "1" for English, press "2" for a new president.

Ann Coulter article...

17 posted on 05/26/2006 8:24:28 AM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage. Try it!)
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To: tigtog
Time to turn out some Republicans.

RINOs only. Let's start in NJ where we have an EXCELLENT opportunity to deny a RINO his nomination for a US Senate seat:

No More RINOS! Ginty for Senate in NJ
18 posted on 05/26/2006 8:24:37 AM PDT by Antoninus (Ginty for US Senate -- NJ's primary day is June 6 -- www.gintyforsenate.org)
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To: Waverunner

I just e-mailed my senator, Lugar, and told him: "Hey, you vote--so do I!"
Next, to Mr. Pence to remind him that I would like for him to re-present my views: "No amnesty for law-breaking foreign nationals!" And I `carry' a few dozen votes as well. (Or at least that's what they tell me.)


19 posted on 05/26/2006 8:25:01 AM PDT by tumblindice (Shamenesty)
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To: Tirian
Helloooo, Washington - anybody listening?

No, nobody's listening. This from Michelle Malkin's blog regarding the treasonous "immigration reform" bill the Senate passed with Bush's urging yesterday:

Senator Cornyn gave Lou Dobbs a statement saying the last-minute Amendment SA 41[8]8 says Mexico must be consulted before any fence is constructed.

Anybody here think that Mexico will let a fence---let alone a wall---be constructed on our southern border?

20 posted on 05/26/2006 8:26:45 AM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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