[Reagan Man]

>>>>For all the talk about Karl Rove's brilliance, it was a blunder of monumental proportions to force a confrontation on illegal immigration now—a relative few months before the midterm elections—in a way that enrages both the conservative base and a liberal constituency against Republicans. The president has endangered scores of Republicans, some of whom are excellent public servants. And depending on how this turns out legislatively, he may have done lasting damage to the Republican party.

Mark Levin speaking truth.

[SoFloFreeper]

Border security is going to have to go further than the Senate bill. I think if the conference produces something more than that, something closer to the House version, the package will be a good deal.

[brownsfan]

"The president has endangered scores of Republicans, some of whom are excellent public servants."

The excellent ones seem to be in the minority. If my senator were against blanket amnesty, (which is effectively what's being given), I would vote for him. But he's DeWine... a political hack.

[trubluolyguy]

What this boils down to is that our President and the Republican leadership in the Senate are NOT conservatives....just Republicans. Big spending, open-borders Republicans.

[Alberta's Child]

Levin is a smart guy, but I'm not sure just how clearly he's reading the political climate in the U.S. on this issue. I'm starting to wonder if all this controversy about illegal immigration is based on some mistaken notions about what exactly the electorate wants to see done in Washington.

[goldstategop]

Yep. Their contempt for the American people is going to be their undoing. All we wanted was enforcement first and if it turned out that didn't work, we might be receptive to other ideas. But the Open Borders crowd brushed that aside and insisted on going with what they know has failed before. They're not serious about respecting our sovereignty, our heritage, our language and our laws. That's the bottom line in the Senate's so-called comprehensive immigration reform bill. Its the Mother Of All Amnesties.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

[DoctorMichael]

*****No comment*****

[mountainfolk]

How did President Bush and Karl Rove force the immigration issue to its current frenzy? As I recall it was the Minute Men and other activists getting high profiled that started this current round of attention to illegal immigrants. President Bush is now faulted for responding and trying to get something done. Since this posting is probably only among the first that will be posted today demanding or condemning or providing just plain Bush bashing opportunities, I will have a nice day in the beautiful outdoors. Sure beats being plopped at a computer reading the same posters hopping from thread to thread saying the same old things to one another. Making sure that every thread is turned into their own anti immigration chat room. This is getting very, very, old and so unproductive. The sincerity of the pundit class can be gaged thru the lens of self interest and I am not overly impressed with any of them. That goes for the talking heads as well. When I read on the bash Bush threads the caustic references to the 'sheeple', it becomes obvious that there is more than one set who fit that category. Nothing that President Bush does on the immigration matter, or the illegal part of it, will satisfy everybody. The venting against the Pres may be therapeutic but it has become so boring.

[Matchett-PI]

There's a lot more going on than meets the eye. Here's an exchange I had with BobJ last Friday.

To: Bob J

I think that this is what is really going on, and it's been going on long before Bush came into office. I think the 9-11 attack may just have speeded things up.

[PDF] Building a North American Community
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http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:L-n-Zvyk9uIJ:canada.usembassy.gov/content/can_usa/northamericancommunity_TF_final.pdf+Building+a+North+American+community+planned+long+before+Bush+was+elected&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6

A long-term goal. for a North American border action plan should be joint screening ... Building a North American Community. W. HAT WE SHOULD DO BY ...
http:www.cfr.org/content/publications/ attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf - Similar pages


[PDF] Building a North American Community
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:_vn064l1L70J:www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf+Building+a+North+American+community+planned+long+before+Bush+was+elected&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4
Building a North American Community. Report of the Independent Task Force ... long-term goal for a North American border action plan should be joint ...
canada.usembassy.gov/content/ can_usa/northamericancommunity_TF_final.pdf - Similar pages

153 posted on 05/19/2006 3:47:35 PM EDT by Matchett-PI
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1635014/posts?page=153#153

To: Matchett-PI

Looks like a blueprint for what Bush and Congress is doing.

157 posted on 05/19/2006 4:01:45 PM EDT by Bob J
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1635014/posts?page=157#157

To: Bob J

Yep. It looks as if the borders that they are more intent on defending - probably for national security reasons - are the outer borders of all of North America.

Another consideration regarding national security concerns is that we get most of our oil from Canada and Mexico.

Bush has had a real mess dumped in his lap since he became president, and there are no "good" or "easy" options / solutions for him.

I do know that his #1 priority every day is his "duty" to protect the American people. That would NOT be the case with a RAT president.

172 posted on 05/19/2006 5:13:31 PM EDT by Matchett-PI
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1635014/posts?page=172#172

[Arizona Carolyn]

excellent article.

[Txsleuth]

bttt

[DumpsterDiver]

ping

[MEGoody]

Hispanic voters, many of whom responded favorably to President Bush's campaign appeals emphasizing patriotism, family and religious values in Spanish-language media in 2004, are turning away from the administration on immigration and a host of other issues, according to a new survey. At the same time, separate polls show that conservative white Republicans are the voting group most hostile to the administration's support for policies that would move toward the legalization of many undocumented immigrants.

In other words, no matter what Bush does, he is going to tick someone off. I guess that's why he's decided to just do what he thinks is right and not be swayed by polls.

I don't agree with Bush on immigration, but I admire him for being his own man.

[no dems]

Poor George; danged if he does, danged if he doesn't.

[Mogollon]

I doubt if they will but if the rats retake congress they may solve the immigration problem as follows: They raise taxes through the roof as usual, this will cause the economy to tank and unemployment to rise. Illegals always go home when we are in recession because we don't have extra jobs.

[gubamyster]

ping

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

President Bush is as blind about Criminals who overstay their visas and those that just Invade as ex (thank God)President Carter is about Islam and other thug controlled countries.

[hershey]

Rush was eloquent about this today.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

bookmark for later

[KeyLargo]

Former Bush backer urges Republican split

Posted at 1:55pm on 22 May 2006

In an open split with the US President George Bush, a powerful American conservative lobbyist has called for like-minded Americans to stop funding the Republican Party and start an independent movement instead.

Richard Viguerie was instrumental in cementing the winning coalitions behind Ronald Reagan in 1980 and George W Bush in 2000 but he has now declared conservatives have become disillusioned with congressional Republicans.

He has called on conservatives to form a powerful movement that is independent of any party and boycott November's election.

Instead, he suggests that they lay the groundwork for an election campaign in 2008 and hope that a new generation of conservative leaders has emerged by then.
Ominous sign

Mr Viguerie's public outburst is seen as another ominous sign for the party less than six months before the November congressional vote.

A Washington Post-ABC News opinion poll released last week found Republican disapproval of Mr Bush's presidency has increased from 16% to 30% in just one month.

Mr Viguerie has acknowledged that a conservative boycott in November will likely spell defeat for the Republicans but insists it would be for the long-term good of the conservative movement.

Traditional conservatives, who abhor big government and excessive spending, equate abortion with murder and emphasise individualism, have always formed the so-called "base" of the Republican Party and determined its political viability.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/latest/200605221354/9490502