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Trouble ahead for the American middle class
Free Republic | may 16, 2006 | jim shirreffs

Posted on 05/16/2006 9:05:47 AM PDT by jpsb

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21 posted on 05/16/2006 9:27:19 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: thejokker
explain why the ratio of ceo salaries to hourly workers has exploded over the last thirty years?

Easy. Because they get to decide how much money the companies pay various employees, including themselves.

COEs are employees with the combination to the safe. Just what do you expect them to do?

22 posted on 05/16/2006 9:28:07 AM PDT by mc6809e
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To: Spirited

This author can't spell worth a damn!


23 posted on 05/16/2006 9:31:24 AM PDT by bicyclerepair (Moonbats are everywhere!)
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To: thejokker
the "super rich" has not been re-investing their wealth in america and americans.

NO! they've just been stashing their billions under their mattress!

Investment takes many forms. Stocks, capital growth, bonds, even just leaving money in the bank.

24 posted on 05/16/2006 9:31:27 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: oblomov

what??????????you want this guy to quote FACTS!!!!! get real, the dude is an idiot....


25 posted on 05/16/2006 9:32:51 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Time to bring back tar and feathering.)
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To: oblomov
Specifically what anti-trust, labor, and trade laws are being ignored?

Pretty much anything to do with health care provider contracting. The cost of health care is killing the middle class and its all government generated in one way or another.

26 posted on 05/16/2006 9:34:30 AM PDT by Rippin
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To: Clemenza
The real reason the federal income tax was passed was because the Southrons felt that the Yankees had "too much money.

I thought the 16th Amendment was passed because of a bluff raised by "Progressive" Republican congressmen, a bluff that Teddy Roosevelt seized on and advanced until it was ratified.

27 posted on 05/16/2006 9:34:36 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Never saw that pic before but it is a cool graphic, thanks for posting it.


28 posted on 05/16/2006 9:34:47 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: jpsb

Complete hogwash.

Manufacturing jobs are being moved overseas simply because the labor costs are significantly less. Labor unions have stopped representing the long-term interest of workers...to the point that union labor is overpriced and mis-represented.

Illegals are taking jobs at $8/hr with no benefits that were formerly union jobs at $17/hr with full benefits, the unions wish to PROTECT illegal aliens, not prohibit them.

Yet you don't hear the union leadership screaming for greater controls on illegal immigrants, do you?


29 posted on 05/16/2006 9:34:55 AM PDT by kidd
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To: thejokker
Oh PUH-LEEZE. You make it sound like those "fat cats" (I can picture the Thomas Nast Cartoon of the guy with the gold watch ) are "hoarding" their money without investing it! What do you think, they take their money and send all of it overseas or go home and roll around in it like Uncle Scrooge from the old Donald Duck cartoons?

Who's business is it how much a certain person makes? He who shoulders the most responsability gets the most compensation, and should be free to invest as he chooses. THAT is the American way, and always has been.

As for Huntington, he was once a great political scientist who has become a bitter old man.

30 posted on 05/16/2006 9:36:51 AM PDT by Clemenza (If you don't trust the government to buy your groceries, why trust it to educate your children?)
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To: jpsb

An awful lot of people have gotten "rich" or at least wealthy depending upon your standards for "rich," via the services industry.

I don't see a link between manufacturing and the middle class other than in another era.


31 posted on 05/16/2006 9:38:07 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: Lunatic Fringe
I'm sorry, but I completely diagree with your premise that the rich want to break the middle class. It is the middle class that makes the wealthy "super rich". Without our buying power, they have no profits. Sounds like sour grapes to me.

Furthermore, if it's one thing that an oligarch despises, it's real competition. They see the middle class as a far bigger personal threat than the poor.

32 posted on 05/16/2006 9:38:14 AM PDT by jpl (Victorious warriors win first, then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, then seek to win.)
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To: kidd
"Manufacturing jobs are being moved overseas simply because the labor costs are significantly less"

That is true, but why are the products producted by the factories formerly located in the usa allowed into our market without a correction for the wage advantage gain by thier new location.

33 posted on 05/16/2006 9:39:07 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: jpsb
Only in the usa during the 19th and 20th century, did the middle class win that battle.

I'll take this one step further . . . the USA in the 19th and 20th centuries is one of the few cases in human history where something called "the middle class" even existed at all.

34 posted on 05/16/2006 9:40:54 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Mase; expat_panama; nopardons
I was wondering where to post this nice little bar graph I found.

Source: The Heritage Foundation, Job Numbers Show a Strong Economic Recovery

35 posted on 05/16/2006 9:41:02 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: mc6809e
Manufacturing is being lost because American workers are simply too much trouble. Workers overseas are willing

Workers overseas are cheaper because their cost (and standard) of living is lower. This difference was compensated by the tariffs until the "free" trade craze became the dogma.

36 posted on 05/16/2006 9:41:03 AM PDT by A. Pole (GWB believes that "guest worker" program will satisfy economy needs for cheap and plentiful labour.)
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To: jpsb
Why do the super always fear the middle class?


Superman fears nothing.

My thoughts after hearing the Presidents last night.

You heard more than one?

37 posted on 05/16/2006 9:41:22 AM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: jpsb

I see. So you thought you'd share them with us. How nice.

If that idea ever comes to you again, I really, really suggest that you check the spelling and grammar in your word before posting it.

That said, you are incorrect in everything you said. Are you tired of being in the middle class? Then fire up your own business and get out of the middle class. You can do that here in the USA (not usa), you know.

Whining that the middle class has been beaten down is the mark of someone who has not examined our society very closely. Everywhere you look, there are middle class folks who have taken up the challenge and have become successful entrepreneurs.

Go thou and do likewise, but do use your spell checker.


38 posted on 05/16/2006 9:41:23 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: Fruitbat
"I don't see a link between manufacturing and the middle class other than in another era."

It is my understanding that many millions in Asia are becomming wealthy via manurfacturing. Am I mistaken?

39 posted on 05/16/2006 9:41:47 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: jpsb
..Ever wonder why the wealth generating machines of the usa (manufacturing) are being moved overseas?..

Cheap labor and favorable tax laws would be a heck of a lot better guess than some rehash of a Rockafeller/Rothschild/English Monarchy conspiracy.

Wonder no more, the rich want to break the back of the American middle class by taking away the middle classes ability to generate wealth..

By creating a global middle class?

40 posted on 05/16/2006 9:44:38 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Liberalism: replacing backbones with wishbones.)
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