Posted on 05/15/2006 4:13:02 PM PDT by devane617
Edited on 05/15/2006 4:38:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
I searched but did not see a thread already open for tonights speech. I think this is the most important speech the President will probably make for the remainder of his term.
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This could turn into a whack-a-troll thread. All immigration trolls that would like to participate should post here. It'll be interesting to see if we mods can whack the trolls faster than they can sign up new accounts.
Jim
How do you propose to make certain those "guest workers" leave when their time is up. Or will they just overstay their alloted time if they so chose as has happened with other such programs in the past.
"Hispanics aren't muslims."
The mobs I saw in the streets on May 1 weren't very different from the Palestinian and Iranian mobs, or the mobs in Paris.
I only found out yesterday when Miss Marple explained it to me -- seems those of us who signed up in 2004 are suspect because someone called Moby was telling fans to sign on to the Free Respublic (and basically cause trouble).. it was all part of the '04 election fiasco.
There should be some amendments tomorrow on the Senate floor.
The six million killed in the death camps by the Germans were, for the most part, Orthodox observant Jews.
I am a calm man not quick to fantastic behavior and faithful to decisions made.
Don't believe a word a dem tells you -- they will say anything in an ad, but when they get to DC they will do Pelosi and Reids bidding.
"Perhaps in the fancy suburbs of Fairfield County and the wealthier parts of the New Haven and Hartford metro areas, people can afford illegal aliens to watch your children and mow their lawns. If we got rid of the illegals, the elite snobs might have to (gasp!) pay native born Americans a higher salary to do those tasks. In fact, they may have to (horrors!!) do the work themselves."
Good post!
Hell, I did most of that stuff as a teen!(girls babysitted)
Mowed the neighbors lawns, cleaned pools, had a part time job washing dishes too! -- all that.
We did it to make extra spending money... and I wasn't raised in a poor neighborhood either!
We didn't need Illegals to do any of this stuff then and we don't need them now!
Hmmm, were they suspended?
How do you know that? The bill might call for some extra money to be spent and some high tech cameras but what will that accomplish?
Money and some high tech toys is not the answer when it comes to securing the border. If it were, then the White House wouldn't have a fence.
Both of whom I admire. However, they are in the small minority who are not devoted to the 'New World Order" (whatever the hell that is...)!
We have taken a look at Mexico. We do not like what we see. So we have many Dims and conservatives calling for changing United States laws, and conducting running battles about walls and deportation. How about fighting Mexico, and imposing change on Mexico? Such a radical concept has very limited acceptance among the bashers and bots. The surprise will be intense when the Mexican government acquiesces to the demands of those supported (even unwittingly) by the Minutemen.
Now that is wonderful spin. Funny how you have to be rabid over border control now to be a conservative. This addressed to Peach?
Anyone that would throw away 15 years of conservative gains for their pet issue is not a conservative, especially when the President is responding.
Not to mention the miles of shoreline along the California & Texas borders.
True unfortunately. It's silly. I saw a post that someone said Bush was going to do amnesty because he said so in the speech, and he said TWO TIMES that amnesty was not acceptable and he wouldn't sign a bill that gave amnesty. All you have to do is quote the speach and it destroys all the people here who are ripping Bush for it. I've been all over Bush's case the past couple years for his total lack of effort to secure the border, but tonight I have to give him an "atta boy". He said the things real conservatives have been saying need to be done. I mean, like I've said a dozen times tonight. Tancredo is all over this speach and supports it totally. That says it all. So anyone here who is ripping Bush a new one, even though Tancredo, real conservative, co-founder of the Minutemen, supports the speach, well, those people here opposing the speach either didn't really listen to it, or are DU'ers coming here to create a false sense of dissention in the conservative ranks. I'm not biting. :)
"So people should understand that low-end illegals don't just steal jobs away from other manual laborers; they create administrative and technical jobs that are generally higher paying and more pleasant work."
You and Mr. Bush have a misplaced sense of compassion.
You see the glass half-full, in the hardworking and sincere nature of the illegal immigrant (as do I), but you refuse to look at the glass half-empty or completely empty for the people they displace and they do displace people.
They displace the people who are already here legally and at the bottom of the education and skills ladder.
They displace citizens and legal immigrants who have only a high-school education or less.
They displace one or both spouses among first generation immigrants for whom having second, low-skill job helps to pay the bills they can barely pay on their initial jobs in their first decade here.
They displace college kids and teens who just need spending money or temporary work to help make ends meet.
They displace all those most in need of the jobs that are at the bottom, the jobs that greedy employers want to pay less than legal wages for, instead of the legal wages that would be demanded by first-generation immigrants in part-time or shift work, those without a high-school diploma and teens and college students.
They also displace skilled workers who are unwilling to work for depression era wages.
There is no such thing as "jobs Americans won't do", there are only employers who won't pay the wages Americans deserve. It is neither economic necessity or moral necessity. It is greed.
[1]When too many workers are chasing too few jobs, employers typically cut wages, confident that beggars can't be choosers. What U.S. Labor Department data reveal is that the wage-cutting scenario is exactly what has unfolded recently throughout the economy's illegal immigrant-heavy sectors.
[2]Take restaurants. According to the Pew Hispanic Center, illegal immigrants comprise 17 percent of the nation's food preparation workers, 20 percent of its cooks and 23 percent of its dishwashers. According to data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, though, inflation-adjusted wages for the broad Food Services and Drinking Establishments category fell 1.65 percent between 2000 and 2005.
[3]Ten percent of the nation's hotel workers are illegal immigrants, the Pew Center estimates. But the BLS data show that their inflation-adjusted wages fell nearly 1 percent from 2000-2005.
[4]In the booming construction industry, illegal immigrants make up some 12 percent of the work force. But from 1993 —when median home prices began surging at a record pace — through 2005, inflation-adjusted wages in the sector rose only 3.02 percent. And from 2000 to 2005 — the height of the boom — inflation-adjusted construction wages actually fell by 1.59 percent.
[Summary]These wage trends in illegal immigrant-heavy industries make clear that these sectors are not facing shortages of native-born workers. They're facing shortages of native-born workers who can accept poverty-level pay.
That is greed.
[1],[2],[3],[4],[Summary] from http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/stories/0428edequal.html
I can attest to every single one of these work categories, in New York City alone.
The hotel industry housekeeping crews 15 years ago were predominately staffed by the wife-spouse in a first generation legal immigrant family in a union minimum wage job. Now the industry has a large % of illegal non-union labor and increasing numbers of first-generation legal immigrant families are moving up state or out of state.
Fifteen years ago, college students from the suburbs from Manhatten colleges could rely on waiter-waitress jobs in the large resturant industry to make enough to share an apartment with two or three others in the city, or to just help meet expenses. More now live back in the suburbs with mom and dad and spend hours commuting, instead of working.
You have always been able to tell the "hard hats" at Manhatten construction projects from the "cash" workers. Although the number of construction projects in Manhatten seems to have exploded, it is definately more of the "cash" workers you see, while middle class cityizen, union suburban skilled tradesmen are having a harder time staying in the trades.
It is greed, not a lack of willing workers.
I never thought in my lifetime that the borders would need to be closed but it needs to be done and this President has enough of what it takes to get it done with compassion and leadership that surpasses all others.
Thank You President Bush for cleaning up the messes left for you by so many.
I also think if Mexico is such a cr@py place, that the people from there should fix their own paradise and not just all come running over to America.
We simply can not support it all. We can't feed the world.
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