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To: daviddennis

"So people should understand that low-end illegals don't just steal jobs away from other manual laborers; they create administrative and technical jobs that are generally higher paying and more pleasant work."

You and Mr. Bush have a misplaced sense of compassion.

You see the glass half-full, in the hardworking and sincere nature of the illegal immigrant (as do I), but you refuse to look at the glass half-empty or completely empty for the people they displace and they do displace people.

They displace the people who are already here legally and at the bottom of the education and skills ladder.

They displace citizens and legal immigrants who have only a high-school education or less.

They displace one or both spouses among first generation immigrants for whom having second, low-skill job helps to pay the bills they can barely pay on their initial jobs in their first decade here.

They displace college kids and teens who just need spending money or temporary work to help make ends meet.

They displace all those most in need of the jobs that are at the bottom, the jobs that greedy employers want to pay less than legal wages for, instead of the legal wages that would be demanded by first-generation immigrants in part-time or shift work, those without a high-school diploma and teens and college students.

They also displace skilled workers who are unwilling to work for depression era wages.

There is no such thing as "jobs Americans won't do", there are only employers who won't pay the wages Americans deserve. It is neither economic necessity or moral necessity. It is greed.

[1]When too many workers are chasing too few jobs, employers typically cut wages, confident that beggars can't be choosers. What U.S. Labor Department data reveal is that the wage-cutting scenario is exactly what has unfolded recently throughout the economy's illegal immigrant-heavy sectors.

[2]Take restaurants. According to the Pew Hispanic Center, illegal immigrants comprise 17 percent of the nation's food preparation workers, 20 percent of its cooks and 23 percent of its dishwashers. According to data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, though, inflation-adjusted wages for the broad Food Services and Drinking Establishments category fell 1.65 percent between 2000 and 2005.

[3]Ten percent of the nation's hotel workers are illegal immigrants, the Pew Center estimates. But the BLS data show that their inflation-adjusted wages fell nearly 1 percent from 2000-2005.

[4]In the booming construction industry, illegal immigrants make up some 12 percent of the work force. But from 1993 —when median home prices began surging at a record pace — through 2005, inflation-adjusted wages in the sector rose only 3.02 percent. And from 2000 to 2005 — the height of the boom — inflation-adjusted construction wages actually fell by 1.59 percent.

[Summary]These wage trends in illegal immigrant-heavy industries make clear that these sectors are not facing shortages of native-born workers. They're facing shortages of native-born workers who can accept poverty-level pay.

That is greed.

[1],[2],[3],[4],[Summary] from http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/stories/0428edequal.html

I can attest to every single one of these work categories, in New York City alone.

The hotel industry housekeeping crews 15 years ago were predominately staffed by the wife-spouse in a first generation legal immigrant family in a union minimum wage job. Now the industry has a large % of illegal non-union labor and increasing numbers of first-generation legal immigrant families are moving up state or out of state.

Fifteen years ago, college students from the suburbs from Manhatten colleges could rely on waiter-waitress jobs in the large resturant industry to make enough to share an apartment with two or three others in the city, or to just help meet expenses. More now live back in the suburbs with mom and dad and spend hours commuting, instead of working.

You have always been able to tell the "hard hats" at Manhatten construction projects from the "cash" workers. Although the number of construction projects in Manhatten seems to have exploded, it is definately more of the "cash" workers you see, while middle class cityizen, union suburban skilled tradesmen are having a harder time staying in the trades.

It is greed, not a lack of willing workers.


2,238 posted on 05/15/2006 8:06:21 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli
"You have always been able to tell the "hard hats" at Manhatten construction projects from the "cash" workers. Although the number of construction projects in Manhatten seems to have exploded, it is definately more of the "cash" workers you see, while middle class cityizen, union suburban skilled tradesmen are having a harder time staying in the trades.

It is greed, not a lack of willing workers."


Please, in all your wisdom, explain how someone that can't read or write is displacing any skilled worker ?
2,334 posted on 05/15/2006 8:23:28 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Juan Williams....The DNC's "Crash test Dummy" for talking points.)
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