Posted on 05/12/2006 6:25:43 AM PDT by John Jorsett
You excel at making false claims. Reread what I initially wrote and you will be forced to admit you've just made yet another.
Si, Se Puede... Reform ImmigrationI was ALWAYS taught that as soon as someone says "BUT", you ignore the excuse which follows, REVERSE the statement which proceeded BUT, and you'll know their actual position.03/28/2006
I do not condone breaking the law, but let’s face it—many of our state’s top economic producers rely on immigrant labor to turn a profit and keep consumer prices low. After all, the market dictates the economy, and if Americans were willing to take these jobs, they would have done so already, rather than creating an opportunity for immigrant labor.
Don't tell me that the Los Angeles Area Chamber of Commerce doesn't have a bias. Any information you may have gotten from them, I would want to know their sources accepted and rejected. I would want to know if they pressed the issue to find out why monies were lost. Did they ask individual businesses if they were THREATENED with violence if they remained open during the protest? There's a sundry other types of questions which would provide accurate data. I would be surprised if anything like that was done.
nic, of course they have a bias, as do most of the politicians here in the L.A. area. Due to the huge hispanic population that lives here now, thanks to unchecked illegal immigration, the bias gets stronger every day as the numbers increase.
We're being colonized, and the political system here is following that trend.
His record on FR puts him clearly in the pro-illegal alien camp. With every post, he sinks deeper into the illegal alien muck.
" You're making one of their points right here on this conservative forum."
It's what he does, nearly 24/7. Makes you wonder when he has time for work.
Cute, but the next 20 million are already here. Twelve million is way low, 30 million is more like it, according to my sources.
cl3, you address yourself to the example, not the comment. The comment was "I'd say illegal aliens violate the 8th (stealing), 9th (bearing false witness), and 10th (coveting thy neighbor's house)."
The act of walking across the border illegally with the INTENT of staying violates at LEAST these 3.
So there goes your 10 Commandments "argument" to protect your law-breaking pets.
By the way, I am still waiting for that check you need to write. I hope you have $10 billion -- for THIS YEAR ALONE. NET. You love them so much, YOU pay for them.
I don't have $262 million for a fighter jet either - doesn't mean those don't get built - especially when the federal AND California State government find themselves with more tax revenues than projected. I believe I have answered the example AND comment - while there are illegals who steal, bear false witness, etc., so do citizens - there are some illegal aliens who do not commit another single illegal act too. Maybe I'm missing your point?
Yes, and doing so ON PURPOSE. The question was NOT about Criminality -- it was about which Commandments had been broken.
But since we are talking about Criminality, the moment an illegal alien WALKS ON a road maintained by our taxes,it is theft. The moment they go to a hospital, it is theft. If they cross the border with their children, it is a compound crime.
Every moment they breathe air in the US, IT IS A CRIME. The crime is continuous from the moment they enter until the moment they leave.
So it is both against the laws of God and against the laws of Man to be illegal. Not counting additional acts they perform WHILE they are illegally here.
LOL - please cite the specific statute allegedly violated for breathing air.
As log as they are in the US they are coninuing the crime.
If you are no longer breathing after being here illegally, you are no longer "here" illegally.
Would you please quit being obtuse on purpose? LIke I said, it is not crossing that is the offense. As long as an illegal is here his/her existance here is a crime.
And, as I said, I must be missing something - sorry you think I am the one being obtuse - I just checked again and there's no criminal statute for breathing air.
And as I pointed out COVETING happened before the crossing and continues to happen. THEFT happens once they cross. And crossing the border is not a single item crime. All the time they are in the US they are committing a crime. Why don't you acknowledge that? Because it blows a hole in your "they committed one crime" nonsense.
You are being obtuse on purpose. Being here illegally is a crime. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week these people are committing a crime. The crime is continous.
The "breathing air" part was dramatic license to demonstrate how their existence here is a crime.
And you know it.
Currently, being in the country illegally is a federal CIVIL offense no worse than a traffic ticket - H.R. 4437 was trying to change that into a felony - is that what you are talking about "crime"? There are plenty of illegal aliens in the country who did NOT cross the border illegally but stayed after a visa expired, worked without the proper documentation, etc. That being said, I still maintain there are border crossers who have not violated another single law - didn't even have the intent to commit another crime or covet anything - illegal aliens school children for instance.
A deporting offense that is occurring continually from the time they cross the border. Yes, it is a "crime." You should know that.
H.R. 4437 was trying to change that into a felony - is that what you are talking about "crime"?
That would add prison time and oter sanctions to the exising crime. And propery make it identified as a more severe crime. You do know the difference between misdemeanors, infractions, civil offenses and the like? And you do know they are all crimes, right?
There are plenty of illegal aliens in the country who did NOT cross the border illegally but stayed after a visa expired, worked without the proper documentation, etc.
The moment their visa expired or they began working without proper documentation, thet committed an ongoing crime.
That being said,
Forensically, "that being said" means "ignore what I just said."
I still maintain there are border crossers who have not violated another single law - didn't even have the intent to commit another crime or covet anything - illegal aliens school children for instance.
They coveted our way of life, our jobs, our social services. They stole the moment they touched our infrastructure.
And as I have told you over and over. Crossing is not "a" crime. It is a continuous crime. Those who crossed (or overstayed their visas) didn't just commit a single crime. They continue to commit that same crime.
Yes, dear - I fully understand what "crimes" are - I was asking YOU questions because it seems you do not. I will try one last time: there is a specific crime for crossing the border and not presenting yourself to immigration officials within 48 hours - I can get you that cite if you don't believe me. H.R. 4437 was trying to make the mere presence in the country illegally a felony, and I was opposed to that. But those are examples of specific crimes.
Now, see of you can follow this: there are plenty of illegal aliens in the U.S. today who have not committed ANY other crime - I have given you examples above - illegal alien school children are probably the single largest examples. Get it? If not, I doubt I can explain it any simpler for you.
And I am telling YOU that using our infrastructure is STEALING. Illegal children in school IS a crime, but there is a "don't ask, don't tell" policy in place that we MUST remove as soon as possible.
And once someone has become an illegal, they CONTINUE to be illegal, thus CONTINUE committing a crime 24x7. Or do I need to be any simpler for you?
You trot it out every time you lose an argument.
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