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Debunking the Myths Surrounding Illegal Immigration
Stanford Review ^ | May 12, 2006 | Joe Dunn

Posted on 05/12/2006 6:25:43 AM PDT by John Jorsett

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To: John Jorsett

I used to work for US Customs & Border Patrol HQ in the Ronald Reagan Bldg in downtown Washington DC. It was generally known that we could stop the flow of illegals over the border in a heartbeat. It was also generally known that that we were prevented from doing so on orders from the White House.

It is a complete freak that the ruling republicans don't understand that their current path leads to the extinction of republican majorities.

If they kicked out the illegals there might be a chance that the republicans could retain repubublican party leadership of the country. They have no chance if they continue the current course. Right now its a matter of been there done that. Give the illegals citizenship and they vote democratic. That's what they did after the 1986 amnesty. Keep the current course and the republican party splinters. Mexico was the essential issue that last gave the white house to the dems in 1992 and 1996. This time the losses will be more serious and permanent.

The party elders need to be slapped up both sides of the head and kicked in the but.


41 posted on 05/12/2006 11:14:20 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

"Give the illegals citizenship and they vote democratic."
Can we "outvote" the 'Marxicans'? Is this just a "quick" revolution?
Some say that the "Reconquista" movement is a joke. But with the elections being decided by such close margins, ANYTHING is possible. All you need is a referendum and a populace motivated to go to the polls. It will be the easiest "takeover" you can imagine, current Congress being the example.


42 posted on 05/12/2006 11:39:10 AM PDT by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006- No!! You cannot have my governor in 2008.)
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To: P-40

The leftists' argument goes something like this:

Most illegal immigrants are Mexicans, so anyone who opposes illegal immigration hates Mexicans because of their race.

They refuse to acknowledge that there are legitimate societal and historic, as well as economic, reasons to stem the tide of illegal immigration.


43 posted on 05/12/2006 12:07:54 PM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: clawrence3
Illegal immigration is not against the 10 Commandments.

John 10:1 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber."

Last time I checked, stealing was against the 10 commandments (not that this really has anything to do with the discussion...). Care to try again?

44 posted on 05/12/2006 1:14:03 PM PDT by pgyanke (Christ has a tolerance for sinners; liberals have a tolerance for sin.)
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To: pgyanke

For what it's worth, I married an illegal immigrant. She couldn't even speak much English, but she had a hard earned college education and had serious career goals. She learned English quickly. She's doing great in the corporate world. Makes a lot of money. Works her butt off. The U.S. gains by her being here. But she had an education. That was the difference.

There are a lot of angles to this issue. I prefer the one that says it's not an immigration issue, it's an issue of what the hell is the govt doing down in Mexico. All this flows from that. Also, the legal immigration system in this country needs to be overhauled badly.


45 posted on 05/12/2006 2:30:49 PM PDT by againstallhope
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To: No_More_Harkin

I defend it because so few are here at FR - and I don't want "open borders" - I want terrorists and violent criminals caught for instance. Read through my posts and let me know if you have any specific questions.


47 posted on 05/12/2006 4:48:21 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: P-40

You missed the word "etc." I could keep going if you wish.


48 posted on 05/12/2006 4:48:49 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: John Jorsett; pgyanke; ideas_over_party

You guys are talking about CRIMES after they sneak across the border. I was limiting my comment to the specific act. Nothing is stopping us from changing that law. I don;t want illegal aliens killing Bald Eagles either. And, as for why the 10 Commandments are relevant, it is because we were (until relatively recently, a Christian nation ; )


49 posted on 05/12/2006 4:55:17 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: taxed2death

The Los Angeles economy lost $200 million on May 1st (not May 5th). Multiply that by 365 ($73 billion) and pretty soon we are talking some real money.


50 posted on 05/12/2006 5:02:41 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3

I'm talking about the crimes they commit when they enter contrary to U.S. law and present fake documentation or statements to obtain work and services. The laws pertaining to those acts are as worthy of enforcement as any other.


51 posted on 05/12/2006 5:04:39 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: John Jorsett

I agree if they are caught they should be deported. Is that good enough?


52 posted on 05/12/2006 5:20:58 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
You missed the word "etc." I could keep going if you wish.

I don't see what the point would be. If you feel that there is some sort of moral issue in protecting the border, I can't change your mind. If the financial and societal costs of the uninhibited illegal entry does not bother you, not much will. After having lived a good portion of my life on the border and having watched the illegal situation go from a win/win to a win/lose deal, with America on the losing side, I have strong opinions on the subject and the numbers to back them up.
53 posted on 05/12/2006 7:43:40 PM PDT by P-40
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To: John Jorsett
“Day Without Immigrants”

Might hurt the 128 billion dollar drug trade via Mexico to America. Might stop thousands of illegals from storming across our borders. Might stop the loss of billions of tax payers hard earned dollars to going to people who have no right to use our social programs. Might save hundreds of American citizens from being raped, robbed, beaten and killed by drunk drivers from Mexico.

I vote for 365 days a year without ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

54 posted on 05/13/2006 11:53:06 AM PDT by swampfox98 (Lou Dobbs ! Michael Savage, Frosty Wooldridge - True patriots!)
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To: clawrence3

1.LA is a city where the majority of it's population are there illegally. So basically illegals screwed themselves....which is fantastic as far as I and most taxpayers are concerned.

If illegals were to TRUELY "vanish" out of LA for a day...imagine how much that would SAVE the US taxpayers that remain....schooling / incarceration/ unfunded health care/ housing...the SAVINGS to taxpayers would be substantial and a welcome relief instead of their usual parasitic ways.

Illegals COST the California taxpayers 10 billion a year.


55 posted on 05/13/2006 3:19:18 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Altura Ct.
What part of being taxed to death and paying high medical premiums to cover the cost of the illegals makes you think financial issues are not a part of sovereignty. If you destroy the economy of this country it is no different than using a gun.
56 posted on 05/13/2006 3:24:10 PM PDT by marty60
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To: clawrence3
Illegal immigration is not against the 10 Commandments.

ROFLOL!!! Now that is the best laugh I've had all day......

Ummmm......let's see, ah yes...

"Thou shall NOT steal"....

"Thou shall NOT bear false witness"....

"Thou shall NOT covet your Neighbors house"...

And you are a LAWYER?????????????

BAAHHAAAAAAWWW!!!!!

57 posted on 05/13/2006 3:32:07 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I am beginning to suspect that some men may have evolved from chickens...........)
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To: Osage Orange

Did you read the rest of the thread? I said that stealing, bearing false witness, and coveting your neighbor's ass WAS against the 10 Commandments - crossing a border was not.


58 posted on 05/13/2006 5:49:20 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: taxed2death

And, if it cost $100 billion to get rid of them, you do the math.


59 posted on 05/13/2006 5:50:14 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
Did you read the rest of the thread? I said that stealing, bearing false witness, and coveting your neighbor's ass WAS against the 10 Commandments - crossing a border was not.

Yes..I've read most of the thread.

This weak reply of yours...is funnier than your first post.

COME ON....!! You can't be a lawyer, really..??

Right??

Right??

Know when to cut your losses....As you are embarrassing yourself with this argument.

FWIW-

60 posted on 05/13/2006 6:43:05 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I am beginning to suspect that some men may have evolved from chickens...........)
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