August 30, 1997 - Sammy Hagar appeared on Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher last Thursday night.
Oh, the other Hagar, said Maher...
Posted on 05/10/2006 9:38:22 PM PDT by Tim Long
It was a joke, but I am a big fan of Hovind's debate style.
Correction noted. That's not what I meant.
"Anything is possible in G_d. Even evolution. I still do not see the conflict between salvation and science."
I see a conflict. God says there was no death until the sin of Adam. Evolution says you got to keep dying to develop and adapt.
You either believe the truth of the Bible or believe something else. Both can't be rigth.
Not if life didn't exist during those billions of years.
I said that wrong. I meant that the only reason to believe in an old earth is to make evolution possible. There is no evidence for it and much evidence to the contrary.
How? I don't see the connection at all.
No, I didn't know that. Could you give a citation or two please?
Well, I'm sure there are geological reasons as well.
My point is that there's no reason scientific theories that put the age of this planet at billions of years has to contradict what the Bible says. This is putting evolution aside (and speaking strictly on geological terms).
Well, as I understand it, the Hebrew word for "day" meant a 24 hour day. Also the day and night designations did not need the presence of a sun, as there was light before the sun. Probably not from stars though, as they seem to have been created on day 4.
WKUHilltopper...you raise an interesting, but hardly new, point, in your post #104...many on these crevo threads have raised the very same issue, that there was no death until the sin of Adam and that evolution says you got to keep dying to develop and adapt...that particular thought, has been floating around these crevo threads for some time now...
But as recently as yesterday,someone else raised this very point and then , I saw someone else give quite an eloquent rebuttal to this, and so I reprint it here for you to consider...
MHGinTN...since these two posts I reprint here were your posts, I am pinging you, tho I know, you said, that you really do not have a lot of interest on these crevo threads....however, I think that your post was spot on regarding these questions about death relating to Adam, and Evolution...hope you dont mind my using your words...
WKUHilltopper...here is MHGinTNs post......"As a Christian, I cannot pass on this one: "How about the Fall of Man, a fundamental tenant of the Christian faith? How can evolution have occurred before the Fall? Before death and corruption were introduced into Creation?" The fall to which you refer is 'death on a spiritual level' and as best my Christian reading can instruct me, plants and animals aren't vested with a spirit, though they have a soul of life since they do die. Is it so great a stretch to your faith to realize that spiritual forces do manifest in physical and living consequences? Of course not ... so please try to check dogma at the door when entering these evo-crevo threads because your narrowness is embarrassing to fellow Christians like myself."
And then there is this follow-posts of MHGinTN...
"Were these critics to focus upon the advent of spirit in the human soul/animal soul, I would see the debates as constructive. But to confuse soul and spirit in the name of 'doing God's heavy lifting on the nature of the universe we've been given to explore' is an exercise in futility. I don't believe the spirit component of humankind has been evolving for ttens or hundreds or millions of years. But the fossil record indicates the physical bodies and accompanying forms for function have been. In short, the human spirit hasn't evolved from apes or amoebas, but the science we have seems to indicate that the body used to inveigle spirit into the universe of space and time and life-force has descended from such. It's kind of like arguing whether the body Jesus occupied could have held 'all of God' ... Philip got a lecture on that very topic, BTW."
WKUHilltopper...you may not agree with these posts, but surely they offer a fine rebuttal to your claims about death...
But even the light itself isn't created until verse 3. And no specific time period, day or otherwise, is given until verse 2. I really can't see the time span of verses 1 and 2 being within one 24-hour period. But since days and nights didn't exist until light was created, there really is no such thing as "time" at the very beginning so what goes on before that is probably ageless.
A.D.D.? Whadayamean?
This is assuming that you have complete understanding of G_d's word. Do you read the Bible in Greek, Hebrew, or English?
"This is assuming that you have complete understanding of G_d's word. Do you read the Bible in Greek, Hebrew, or English?"
I always fiqured this was immaterial. If God is powerful enough to speak into existence everything in a flash, then He certainly can invoke His will to mere men to transcribe His points properly. I consider it much like you'd see a car operations manual. It may be written in different languages, but the intent and written instruction maintaining the vehicle gets you to the same point/objective.
August 30, 1997 - Sammy Hagar appeared on Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher last Thursday night.
Oh, the other Hagar, said Maher...
Good point. If the will of God isn't clear and is only available to a tiny few who can read dead languages, the words aren't worth much.
Yes, that sure makes Mr. Comfort look like he's confident in his position.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.