GOP Party Census Insults Conservatives

10 May 2006 | wgflyer

[wgflyer]

To All,

I just received a Republican Party Census Document in the mail. Reading through the questions and the selectable answers I begin to understand that the GOP is in a similar dilema to that of the Dems. They seem to be trying to figure out strategy based upon polls rather than trying to actually stand for something...

[raybbr]

Can you answer my question about rating the operation of the govt. as a corporation.

[Alberta's Child]

In your example, if those cars cost $20,000 for each person and the Fair Tax was 15%, then the rich guy paid 1.2% of his gross income in taxes on that car while the poor guy paid 12% of his gross income in taxes on that car.

What's the big deal? This is exactly how every state with a sales tax works, isn't it?

[Spiff]

Yes, this is what I send them in response to every RNC fundraising letter I get.

[P-40]

And like the rich guy and the poor guy are going to be shopping for the same kind of car....

[CWOJackson]

Didn't see the question.

[conservativecorner]

There are plenty of Conservatives out there who feel the same way as FREEPERS [just for you Coop] who are against this Amnesty Plan. National Review, Human Events, The Heritage Foundation and on and on, yet we are led to believe that it's just a few immigration trolls on FR [per Coop]. Nothing could be further from the truth. It's real Conservative Republicans who are sick of the giving away of our Conservative ideals just so that we can say we won. That is not Character Conservatism. Border Follies [John Derbyshire]

[CWOJackson]

Those things must be worth some real money...$800,000 at one event alone on Monday.

[P-40]

Can you answer my question about rating the operation of the govt. as a corporation.

That would mean I would have to look at the government using the same accounting standards (GAAP) as I would when looking at the corporation...and the government would make Enron look like a model for good financial operations.

[Alberta's Child]

Right. Oddly enough, in our convoluted system it is actually quite common to find more expensive cars in urban sh!t-holes where most people live below the poverty line than in suburban areas where people are considered "rich" according to the tax code.

That's just one example of how poverty is really an indication of a person's state of mind, not their financial condition.

[Spiff]

Those things must be worth some real money...$800,000 at one event alone on Monday.

What kind of people attend those events and donate that kind of money? The average joe, rank and file Republican isn't represented there. Money does not equal votes. The cheap labor special interests and corporate globalists can come up with a lot of cash, but they can't manufacture votes.

[cinives]

You cut off your reading a bit too early. There is a large exemption for the first X dollars of purchases, thus making the tax progressive.

Besides - on a conservative website, it's generally not good to espouse progressive/liberal points of view. "Poor" is a subjective term - do you consider people with only $26000 in annual income but possessing cars, big screen TVs, cable , cell phones, PS2s, computers, indoor plumbing, and who rank high on the obesity index, to be poor ? I don't, and why should they pay a lower percentage in tax than I do ?

If your conscience hurts you, you give more to charity or set up a soup line or whatever and don't steal my income to assuage your conscience.

[BillT]

IMHO about 25% of the GDP is not reported because it is illegal and under the table. With the Fair Tax (what a sick term) all that money will be taxed as well.

[avacado]

--- A Fair Tax takes a higher percentage of people's money who make less than than those who make more.

No, the percentage does not change. The "relative worth" of the dollar is a specious argument at best, but totally mitigated by the removal of basic foodstuffs from tax.---

I am just going to leave it at: you are simply wrong.

[beeler]

If Harriet Miers is conservative, John Kerry is a moderate. Her ties and connections with the feminist and abortionist left were well documented and were one of the reasons Bush was forced to dump her.

My taxes are lower too, but I'm still paying around half of my income to taxes in one form or another. That's simply unacceptable. If a Republican house, senate, and executive can't do better than that, then they need to go.

What's the use of having a strong and respected military if you're not going to use it? Why is Bush flirting with the UN again, in dealing with Iran, when we already got seriously burned by them leading up to Iraq?

And what about trying terrorists as criminals in our courts alongside American citizens? Are you happy that literally millions of your tax dollars will be going to house and feed Mousaoui?

Thanks for the link of the number of abortions. Now please tell me exactly how Bush and the GOP made this happen.

I strive to be open minded to the Bush apologists, and I would truly love to think that he in particular, and the GOP in general, respected conservative values, but I just don't see it. You're response to this would probably be that politics move slow and the GOP are doing the best they can. To that I would say, again, that they own the house, senate, and the executive, but every single day it continues to get worse. If the current crop of Republicans can't get the job done, we need to go elsewhere.

[CWOJackson]

Well unless they've established a secret cabal to cover the donations being withheld by grassroots conservatives this time around it doesn't appear they're suffering in that arena either. Fund raising is doing very well.

[cva66snipe]

I won't be voting again for either of the Republican Senators from Tennessee.

Ah you figured them out too huh :>} I didn't vote Frist last time I left it blank. I voted an Independent against Big Government Alexander. What a shame a better man was running for senator and Washington shut him out before he ever had a chance.

[P-40]

poverty is really an indication of a person's state of mind

Being broke is a state of your wallet. Being poor is a state of your mind. :)

[conservativecorner]

What you are saying is that money can't replace ideas, and if so, I agree.

[P-40]

I am just going to leave it at: you are simply wrong.

In other words, you have no argument. You are trying to base a financial issue on an emotional issue...and that doesn't work out all that well.

[Coop]

Writing about me without pinging me? Why, that's against the rules! I should go whining to the moderators immediately! [sob, gasp]