Posted on 05/09/2006 12:40:29 PM PDT by NapkinUser
WASHINGTON, D.C. – Congressmen Tom Tancredo (R-CO) decried a recently-disclosed U.S. Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) practice of tipping off the Mexican military to the location of Minutemen volunteers. According to a story in this morning’s Inland Daily Bulletin, CBP notifies the Mexican government of when and where the Minutemen are planning to monitor the border and if violence is used by the Minutemen against illegal aliens. There has not been one verified instance of Minutemen volunteers using violence against illegal aliens.
“The Mexican military doesn’t exactly have a ‘good government’ reputation. The Border Patrol has documented more than two hundred incursions into the U.S by the Mexican military, and Texas sheriffs even apprehended Mexican government vehicles that were used to ferry drug runners across the border. By tipping off Mexico’s military to the Minutemen’s location, the U.S. government is asking for trouble,” said Tancredo.
“Heavily-armed military officials stationed only yards from civilians are at least intimidating. I can only surmise that the Border Patrol bureaucrats’ spying is meant to have a chilling effect on the Minutemen’s recruitment of more volunteers,” said Tancredo.
“The Minutemen haven’t been accused of breaking the law. Quite the contrary—they have gone out of their way to aid law enforcement and ensure the safety of our border. The U.S. government has no grounds upon which to stifle the Minutemen’s constitutional right to organize,” Tancredo concluded. “I want to know the legal basis for CBP informing a foreign government of the activities of private citizens who are obeying the law.”
Amazing how many of the people still pushing this story signed up within the month or so.
And school isn't even out yet so it's not student labor. Must be another shift of unemployed tele-marketers.
If we traced back their IP, I'd bet most are from the Team America PAC.
They aren't fools on the other side...they know what's at stake for them.
Find where I or anyone else is pushing "liberal policies".
Oh yeah, we don't agree with your constant Bush bashing and GOP hating so in your mind that means we aren't conservatives.
Maybe you should go join your buddies on Liberty Post.
Right. But Jim Robinson in post #178 is calling this a phoney report. I am not sure anymore what is real in this. Hope Robinson provides some explanation or link.
So what was your previous incarnation(s) on FR?
The actions of people quoting Mexican government webpages, and misquoting them by the way, is far less comforting.
I'm more than half convinced that we're being attacked by Stormfronters again. They're learning subtlety. A little bit. Sometimes.
"The administration is currently attempting to cut off one important source of real-world information: Border Patrol whistle-blowers, who are being threatened with retribution. Agent Ron Zermeno, of the Temecula, California, office, told local officials last August that illegal-immigrant roundups had been stopped by officials in Washington, setting off a public outcry, according to the North County Times. Zermeno says he was subsequently threatened with being fired by Border Patrol management. It seems the Border Patrol is implementing new, looser rules regarding agents’ performance reviews—rules that Border Patrol agents say can be used to kill dissent within the ranks."
http://chroniclesmagazine.org/Chronicles/2005/February2005/0205Allensworth.html
February 2005
Thanks for that. The story seems to have a layer presently unknown.
Perhaps indeed this is a ploy to whip up hysteria among the Conservative base. However, the story appears on what seems to be Tancredo's website. Assuming this is a hysteria generating hoax, Tancredo and the Minutemen were duped.
If again this story is fiction, I think we need to go easy on Conservatives that are led on by it. They are, as am I, very anxious about what was witnessed in the past illegal alien marches. We are also uneasy about what the President and the Senate were proposing to do regarding 'a path to citizenship'.
Clearly a policy needs to be legislated or somehow implemented that will deal with the illegal problem in a way that leaves Americans feeling more secure in the future. A policy of attrition does that, not a mass deportation but a policy that strongly motivates and facilitates illegals to go back across the border to their homes.
A policy of attrition was mentioned by Congressman Hayworth on Fox News recently.
A policy of attrition encompasses the following steps:
1. Secure the border so that any illegal alien that goes back across the border will have a near zero chance of ever returning in illegal fashion.
2. Prosecute employers that hire illegal aliens and harshen penalties for those convicted. Basically, make the legal risk of hiring illegals so great that nearly all employers will screen out any illegals. Also compel them to report illegals when found.
3. Restrict all taxpayer funded services, benefits and medical care to persons strictly able to verify legal status. Compel all agencies, courts and clinics to follow strict identification requirements. Illegals seeking help for whatever reason must be reported and must be denied all services other than basic emergency medical services.
4. Contract with domestic passenger services such as Trailways Bus, Greyhound Bus, Amtrak and so on, to transport free of charge to the border any person holding a "free passage slip" obtained from the government. Provide food, clothing, blankets to such persons as well as transfer vouchers for completing the trip to their home past the border. Also provide instructions, in the illegal's native language, on how to apply for legal entry into the United States.
5. Heavily tax all cash wire transfers both inbound and outbound, whether domestic or international, made by persons unable to verify legal status. Prosecute under tax evasion statutes any legal person caught posing on behalf of an illegal for the purpose of wiring or receiving cash.
6. Clarify the 14th Amendment to exclude citizenship to babies born in the USA to parents unable to verify legal status. Clarification is based on the overlooked "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" clause.
7. Require English as the official language for all government employee work and services that deal with the general public such as law enforcement, courts, state hospital services, and public education while barring the awarding of points for any particular language ability other than English to general public work positions.
The last step is necessary to assimilate those already granted citizenship by successfully gaming the 14th Amendment. They were successful because governments were literally unware that such children were recorded as born to state vital statistics bureaus thereby defaulting to a citizenship status. Many of those children are now in public school and it would be inappropriate to retroactively revoke their citizenship.
The 14th's authors were aware of the possibility of children born on US soil by foreigners. Thus they included the clause 'and subject to the jurisdiction thereof'. Since illegal aliens are not subject to US jurisdiction it can be argued that their progeny derived from them are likewise not subject to US jurisdiction, hence their children are not citizens regardless of where their children are born.
A policy of attrition boils down to the the belief that the best way to return illegals to their homes is in the same manner as the way they got here, by walking back across the border of their own volition, albeit more safely and humanely through developed border crossings.
I take exactly the opposite view, we need to go hard on them. The issue is too important to allow it to be clouded and confused with lies and innuendo; that serves no useful purpose. People who have knee jerk reactions based on fact less stories should be admonished and perhaps that will take some of the hysteria out of the issue.
I don't think these are knee jerk reactions. These are reactions that stem from a longtime observation of government inaction and particular flawed arguments by the President.
When people are discontent, confused and looking for leadership, they are more easily misled.
The President has had ample time to formulate a policy solution that will unite the people and clarify how business is to be done.
However, the President has stubbornly clinged to a policy position that a huge percentage of Americans are against.
Thus the people are without leadership. Hence there will be confusion.
If you elect to "go hard on them" then you are exacerbating the problem and not promoting unity through policy formulation.
The Mexican drug cartels(mex gov't) really really appreciates that, no doubt.. What a nice man George Bush is.. I wish him interesting times..
When a U.S. Representative wants to publicly claim that the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol is tipping off the Mexican military to the locatiuon of Minutement volunteers, without know the facts...it's worse then a knee jerk reaction. Those who jump onto his claims are the one's making knee jerk reactions.
Anyone thats not oblivious drones get their news from the internet..
You can change the subject all you want. The fact is you said you would "go hard on them".
What is your point? People are to be blamed for a lack of leadership?
Are you saying the President has demonstrated an ability to unite the people behind his policy view?
Are the people to blame or its leaders? According to you it is the people that are to blame. If they are easily misled, then where is a leader to point the direction?
The fact is that the President said that the Minutemen are vigilantes. If the leadership was satisfactory, would there ever have been a Minuteman movement? Are the Minutemen to blame?
What is the cause? The Minutemen or the President? What came first, the lack of leadership or the Minutemen response?
In the fog of war we do not blame standed soldiers that have lost communication with their central command. Nor do we prosecute them for shooting their own in the ensuing confusion. Instead we blame the strategy, the lack of response and organization and bottomline the lack of leadership.
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