Current Poll - 13% of members will turn it over to the rats????

[Sonora]

Current poll:

"A time for choosing: It appears that a significant number of our members are so disgusted with the GOP's failure to secure our borders against illegal aliens that they are willing to risk all by voting them out of office, even if it means Pelosi, Reid, Hillary, et al, are allowed to take charge. Is this the best course of action or should we be working harder than ever to hold the line and actually try to make a difference by getting more constitutionally-minded conservatives elected? Are you willing to give it all up or are you more determined than ever to keep the Marxists out of power?" _____

So far, 13% of members and 18%+ of participants in this poll say - turn it over to the rats. What's with that? I cannot believe that 13% of those posting here are so stupid or angry with what is happening that they would turn to the rats for the way back to perfect. Now, 13% will result in a winning vote, in a lot of cases.

Anyway, I guess that there is no compromising for some people - just dig a hole and live there while the rats are in charge. I'm so disappointed.

[LowOiL]

Unfortunately the poll does not leave the very viable choise of third party, Constitutional in my case. So I imagine the numbers will be skewed because of this. I am not sure if JimRob knows who votes one way or the other, but seems like a good manner to ban some people (under the guise of anomious voting).

So my vote is for none of the above, Constitutional party is looking more solid everyday.

Please don't bother giving me the line of "voting 3rd party is a vote for the democrates", because that will only show your ignorance on the matter. Voting principals is the only way to vote IMHO, and conservative values and mainstream Republicans parted ways a few years ago. My vote will reflect that, unemployed politicians can think about it and decide if they want my vote again.

You can judge a tree by it's fruit. The seed of my vote will perhaps plant good linage material in later years.

[staytrue]

but you are a fool to believe any change can be accomplished through the primaries

OK, so how have the 3rd parties done in the last 100 years ?

[BlessedBeGod]

Let me correct your sentence, if I may:

I cannot believe that 13% of those posting here are so stupid or angry with [about] what is happening that they would turn to the rats for the way back to perfect.

[Mo1]

Why should I participate in voting for the lesser of two evils?

Because you can kiss your freedoms good bye

I realize that the border issue is important .. but if the liberals regain control they will pull out of Iraq and the WOT and the terrorists will come after us in full force

Then there are 2 more seats on the USSC that will be replaced soon .. you think Ruthy is bad?? .. the liberals will put someone even more liberal in place

So you go right ahead a shoot yourselves in the foot

Because if the 3rd party puts liberals back in charge .. the 3rd party will be history .. because a majority of this country will NEVER forgive nor forget

[byteback]

I WILL vote for candidates that promise secure borders, even they are Pelosi, and the rest of the socialists.

So you believe everything they say? Their track record demonstrates in your mind that they will secure the borders?

[staytrue]

The current crop of Republicans is waaaay out of touch with the base.

Actually, the current crop of freepers is waaaay out of touch with reality.

[eleni121]

That's right - the same 13% who allowed Clinton to get into power and led us down to an almost DISASTER...because Bush 1 got it wrong on taxes and Dole was too old and not conservative enough.

[EternalVigilance]

Retreat from the trench you're fighting in is only possible or advisable if you have a fallback trench.

I don't believe that such a place exists at this moment in history for us.

So, I'm encouraging people to do what I've suggested they do for a very long time: If you're not happy with the leadership, don't support them with your money, your time or your energy.

Instead, support the candidates that you DO believe in.

There are hundreds of worthy conservatives running right now at the federal and state levels.

Simply cut out the middle man.

There is only one thing that can change my mind about this in the near to mid term. If the GOP abandons the Reagan pro-life platform, or if it nominates someone who isn't rock solid on life, liberty, national security and the borders in 2008, I'm gone. Completely and irretrievably gone.

In the meantime, I'll go on trying to send conservative reinforcements to the Congress and the statehouses, and fighting RINOs tooth and nail.

In closing: This is not the time for retreat, it is a time to advance the conservative cause.

We're winning the war of ideas, as we always have when we have had the courage to speak out and fight on.

[Soul Seeker]

I'm curious.

Do the Republicans share any cuplability here for the disenchantment of some of the base? Or is it just too damn hard to blame the people responsible, so you have to shift blame to the voters who are being put in a really lousy position here. Choosing between Marxist traitors or Republicans so eager to appease the peoples like McCain, or the NYT's that we end up with legislation favorable to Al Quida, constitutional judges being blocked and have to fight tooth and nail to stop a complete sanction of illegal passage through the border? Just to name a areas of contention right now.

They aren't entitled to anyone's vote. And, frankly, saying we should vote for them because the Democrats are worse is a rather weak campaign platform. They should be ashamed that is, with exception of Alito and Roberts, all they have produced to entice voters to the polls this year.

Instead of being so angry with people calling the Republicans on their poor performance, perhaps realize if they wanted to turn the Congress over to the Marxists Traitors they wouldn't be giving the GOP ample warning to shape up.

For the record, I haven't voted. With respect to its quther, it wasn't objective. For example...

Is this the best course of action or should we be working harder than ever to hold the line and actually try to make a difference by getting more constitutionally-minded conservatives elected?

This implies there is a choice at the moment and everyone is choosing not to work for Constitutionally minded conservatives. I wager everyone except a Liberal Troll would vote to work to get the conservative elected IF the option is there. I'm working on behalf of Blackwell. Choosing not to help re-elect my RINO because I don't have a conservative doesn't mean I''ve abandoned conservative advancement.

I vote for a better poll question.

[Chena]

Turning it over to the 'rats is just only going to allow in MORE illegals, and the Rats will give the illegals citizenship and welfare, as well as affirmative action and preferential treatment, not to mention everything else the Rats will do to us. Is that what the Republicans want???

No, it isn't. If there are 13% percent members who would turn the U.S. and it's MANY issues over to the Rats, then someone must have left the loony bin open again.

[Mo1]

In the old days, we could recover from the democrat idiots like Jimmy Carter, because we had a cushion to work with. We simply do not have room for errors anymore.

Yep

[democrats_nightmare]

The Republicans suck big time.... but I will hold my nose take a deep breath and vote for them anyway for the RATS suck even worse... Can't be an idealist but a pragmatist.

[staytrue]

There ARE Conservatives members we could rally around, like Tancredo.

What would tancredo say about this ? Would he say, kick the rinos out and vote 3rd party or dem ? Or would he say, support the republicans including rinos if you want immigration reform ?

Well he has already said the latter. I guess that will make him a traitorous rino too.

[moehoward]

I disagree. I used to think Tom might be a hard sell, not anymore.

The only thing between the Presidency and Tom Tancredo is his anonymity.

Yes the tide IS turning towards Conservatism, largely because frustration over illegal immigration.

This incremental path may work as well, but it will have to be taken while under Dem reign. Americans want enforcement, and NOW. They don't get it, the Hill and the White House is the Dems to lose.

[TalBlack]

It's like the "graveyard spiral" in aviation:The more you do what you are doing to prevent what is happening the more you get what you are trying to prevent.

I voted for Bush because I just couldn't tolorate Kerry's demented drone for 4 or 8 years---THAT'S IT!

I had long thought Blacks crazy to keep backing the dems and I was aware that I was doing as they have been doing for decades now and it bothered me---a lot!

The Repubs take the conservative base for granted and the only thing that will change that is to let catastrophe happen (or one HELL of a bad scare).

Because they can count on us trying to stave off "disaster" they are free to (misguidedly) move to the left to try to "broaden" their appeal.

How quickly they have forgotten RR and his margin.

[papertyger]

We can complain forever about why we can't win primary battles, but in the end we must work harder in the market place of ideas to attract a majority.

BS! Tell that to Pat Toomey.

[Chena]

A bunch of "dead ender" GOP types (as one fellow FR put it so well) - The reality is these people who seem unwilling to give an inch on the notion that good people cannot come to differing conclusions on how best to handle this 40 year in the making immigration problem is beyond me. They are acting like spoiled brats and are being used like puppets by the MSM - They have become so blinded by self-absorbtion of their personal politics - At the risk to this nation - These are the same people that ask our soldiers to go off and fight (and give their lives in necessary) yet back here on the home front they will sell them down the river and put in power the ilk of the anti-American, anti-military, anti-success on the WOT Democrat party - Just because they do not agree with this POTUS on a few issues (mostly just one). There are times where it is completely fine to be self-absored in one's own narrow political views and from there step away from one's party. But this is clearly not one of those times in our nation's history. We are at war. The ilk of the Democrat party cannot be allowed to hold a majority in any branch of Gov't during this War - Our soldiers alone deserve better.

BRAVO!!!!!!!!

[TalBlack]

'We have to stand up WHILE the R's are in office, not throw tantrums at the end of their terms.'


BINGO!

[no dems]

While I'm very upset at the Pubbies in the White House and those who control both houses of Congress, I remember doing this in 1992 and voting for Ross Perot. I was mad at Bush 41 for breaking his "read my lips" pledge. But, oh what a price. It gave us 8 years of Bill and Hillary Clinton and their damnable legacy.

[FreeReign]

Current Poll - 13% of members will turn it over to the rats????

In a recent Ohio Republican primary for senate, RINO DeWine got 74% of the vote and conservative challenger Pierce got 14% of the vote.

There were very few posts about this race on FreeRepublic in the run-up to the election.

Yet the mindless 13% posted over and over again about how they don't care if the Democrats took control again.

Pathetic.