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John Mccain "I'd rather have clean government than the 1st amendment"
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Posted on 04/29/2006 8:04:53 PM PDT by SDGOP

"He [Michael Graham] also mentioned my abridgement of First Amendment rights, i.e. talking about campaign finance reform....I know that money corrupts....I would rather have a clean government than one where quote First Amendment rights are being respected, that has become corrupt. If I had my choice, I'd rather have the clean government."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antiamericansenator; dirtbag; lamemcvain; libertarians; mccain; mccainnewoverlord; mccastro; mcme; rinowatch
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To: SDGOP

"I think allen is a fantastic nominee and will make a fantastic president, clearly you disagree because you always jump on these threads and fire away."

You are upset about McCain's first amendement comment so how is it you can support Allen who is anti second amendment?

http://www.issues2000.org/senate/George_Allen.htm


321 posted on 04/30/2006 5:09:12 AM PDT by Proud Conservative2 ("When people show you who they are...BELIEVE THEM the first time..." Maya Angelou)
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To: DBrow

ah yes, but that was a SCOTUS sans Roberts/Alito - I wonder how they would view this now?

sidenote: to even ask such a question as above at the least shows that even the robed ones in black are ultimately, no more than We... and by silent inference, the greatest reason for preventing judges-who-would-legislate from ever occupying the bench.


322 posted on 04/30/2006 5:09:38 AM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: Proud Conservative2
A Born in '04 type quoting (repeatedly) from an organization run directly by a Hillary! sycophant...not surprised...

"SpeakOut.com, with its issues and advocacy focus, provides a larger context for the presidential and senate races," said Naomi Lichtenberg, President and CEO of Issues2000.org.

------------------------------ Here are the facts ------------------------------

From Virginia's NRA Institute for Legislative Action:

Senator George Allen on the Right to Bear Arms Protecting 2nd Amendment Rights

“As Virginia’s Governor and a U.S. Senator, I have a long and consistent record of supporting the rights of Americans to protect their families and themselves. I remain committed to protecting our Second Amendment rights, including that of law-abiding citizens to own firearms.”

From The Brady Center on Sen. Allen's continued support of the 2nd Amendment:

"In truth, the NRA's top candidates deserve their "A" ratings, and their placement on the HCI "Dangerous Dozen" list. Governor Bush, of course, has never denied the NRA any of their agenda, as admitted by their chief lobbyist to the New York Times. Former Governor George Allen also rushed to liberalize Virginia's concealed-carry laws, and even vetoed a measure to prohibit guns in Fairfax County's teen recreation centers."

323 posted on 04/30/2006 5:42:06 AM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: Lizavetta
How can an industry peopled by whores, megalomaniacs, and Kennedys possibly even hope to be clean?

This would make a great tagline!

324 posted on 04/30/2006 5:53:51 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: CGVet58; Don Joe
Johnny boy thinks it's a choice between hypocritical speech, corruption (which apparently in his eyes, only "he" has nobly taken to task) or a "clean" government, again defined by his highness. Not a mention about how his "noble" law illegally and unconstitutionally clamps what and when we can say it. Oh, Johnny-boy, if that were the all-of-the-world, it's a wonder we ever survived the other 229 years of our Nation's existence... we didn't have you to protect us from the corruption that surely existed back then!
Strong post. The nexus between McCain and journalism is the nexus between "liberalism" and journalism - journalism is arrogant, negative and superficial, and anyone who promotes the ability of jounalism sustain that position is OK by journalists.

The "liberal" politician decides that getting good PR is his only principle, and falls in with the journalisitic practice of cheap criticism of the people who actually do things - and who therefore make mistakes and are vulnerable to the second guess. McCain's "we're all corrupt and I have to stop us all from being corrupt," schtick is false humility.

The real import of McCain-Feingold is that only objective journalism is qualified to criticize anyone. And after journalism has criticized someone, the target of journalism's criticism has to undergo self-criticism and become purified like John McCain.


325 posted on 04/30/2006 6:03:29 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: cva66snipe
The hose and senate rules are so screwed up {purposefully so} No person and especially not out elected can be certain what law is being enacted when. The amendments to bills unless specifically related to the title of the bill should not be allowed. Plenty of change needs to come. There are too many lawyers in office. Write the bills in layman's terms short, simple, and to the point. No bill except the federal budget should be over 4-5 pages long either. If they want more bills write another one. It's not wise to sign your name to what you haven't read first yet our elected do just that very thing day after day.

They play equally wicked games when they "revise" existing laws. The revisions take the form of incomrehensible "spaghetti code", in which they give a word or two here that they say should be added to a certain paragraph, another word removed, a comma added, etc. There is NO way to make sense of the "revisions" just by looking at them, and no way to read the original and mentally apply the revisions. They could simply do what writers do in the real world, i.e., use in-line revisions, and/or RETYPE the document in the final form so that it can be read by a human, but that would defeat the "advantage, lawyers." The only ones who really know what most of that crap means are the lawyers who crafted it in such a way as to be completely unreadable. And it remains that way -- until they decide to use it against someone, at which point they explain what happens when certain words are added and deleted vis-a-vis the original law.

326 posted on 04/30/2006 6:30:54 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: SDGOP
I watched the video--the quote is entirely in context and shows McCain deliberately violated his oath to uphold the Constitution. Straight talker, my ass!!
327 posted on 04/30/2006 6:33:45 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion; CGVet58

The real import of McCain-Feingold is that only objective journalism is qualified to criticize anyone. And after journalism has criticized someone, the target of journalism's criticism has to undergo self-criticism and become purified like John McCain.
Ah, good ol' "self-criticism".

Say, isn't that something they specialize in "teaching" in places like communist Vietnamese and North Korean prison "reeducation" camps?

Gotta go rent a copy of The Manchurian Candidate...

328 posted on 04/30/2006 6:40:18 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Congressman Billybob; neverdem; Howlin; Calpernia; SDGOP

Truer words seldom spoken.

To the press, ONLY liberals and socialists have First Amendment "rights".


329 posted on 04/30/2006 6:42:29 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: SDGOP

Certifiable. He should be in the hospital. Not the Congress.


330 posted on 04/30/2006 6:44:22 AM PDT by Search4Truth (Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: cgbg
McCainiac is not fit to be a dog catcher--he would try to muzzle all the dogs because he would believe it created a "clean shelter".

Someone should explain to him that dogs are not like politicians. With dogs, the crap comes out of the rear end. Muzzling them would accomplish nothing!

331 posted on 04/30/2006 6:49:57 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: StAnDeliver
and an additional bill to allow pilots in the cockpit to be armed.

This really doesn't fit in to any discussion of RKBA, because an airline pilot is for all intents and purposes "the captain of his ship", e.g., "The Law" for the duration of the flight.

Allowing airline pilots to be armed is "pro-RKBA" only in the sense that allowing the police to be armed is "pro-RKBA" -- in other words, not at all.

332 posted on 04/30/2006 6:58:30 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: SDGOP

McCain screws up big. That else is new? McCain screws up big all the time.


333 posted on 04/30/2006 7:03:08 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: nicmarlo

Dear God.


334 posted on 04/30/2006 7:06:26 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: SDGOP

Reason # 463,912 why he won't get the nomination.


335 posted on 04/30/2006 7:07:35 AM PDT by Valin (Purple Fingers Rule!)
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To: freepatriot32; Abram; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Allosaurs_r_us; Americanwolf; ...
See post 2 for video. Of course, McCain is wrong on all counts. The only thing that will really give clean gov is this sort of thing.





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336 posted on 04/30/2006 7:13:42 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm)
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To: SDGOP

Methinks Johnny boy soaked up too much NVA propaganda in that prison.


337 posted on 04/30/2006 7:49:57 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: SDGOP
Easy as pie. "First amendment rights are being respected" is boilerplate rhetoric. Hence the preceeding "quote" - he means that is what the excuse makers say. An apple-pie sounding excuse for outright bribery, which he is informing us clearly goes on.

I don't agree with him on the subject and don't think CFR is working, but I'd also like clean government and don't think we remotely have one. I also think other aspects of the 1st amendment, notably on no laws on religion, are more consistently violated than any of the provisions of CFR.

338 posted on 04/30/2006 7:54:38 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: SDGOP
campaign finance reform

What we have now, according to GG Liddy, is campaign finance reform. What campaign finance reform has to do with the First Amendment is not clear to me, but what it has to do with the Modern American Corporation is very clear, even if the relation to the Fourteenth Amendment of the Modern American Corporation is a little murky. It is interesting that the ACLU comes down, sometimes, on the side of the Modern American Corporation when it comes to campaign contributions.

339 posted on 04/30/2006 7:54:46 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: traviskicks
I missed that thread. I guess some people are just too addicted to entitlements, cultural welfare, and big government for "conservative things" (especially of one particular stripe...) to agree that the government should be much much smaller.
340 posted on 04/30/2006 7:54:59 AM PDT by M203M4 (BEEEEEG gubermint to the rescue; or "how the nanny state ruins everything")
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