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The compromise bill the Senate will consider allows undocumented workers who have resided in the United States for more than five years to obtain a conditional immigrant visa and eventually permanent residency after fulfilling certain conditions; it sets more stringent rules and conditions for those who have been in the United States less than five years.

Of course, most esteemed Senators and Cardinals, if one is illegal, obeying rules and regulations is not one's first inclination, is it?

Shall we all bash our foreheads against a brick wall repeatedly? It will accomplish as much good as this compromise legislation.

1 posted on 04/29/2006 6:55:39 AM PDT by siunevada
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Not OUR foreheads....if you get my drift.


2 posted on 04/29/2006 6:58:53 AM PDT by stopem (To allow a bunch of third world country nationals to divide Americans is unconscionable!)
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Yeah, they want all the illegals, when will they STFU and get back to what they are supposed to do. TEACH RELIGION, Christ said it "That man who enter not the front gate is a thief". now I maynot have the words exact but that is the essence of it, Look in JOHN.


3 posted on 04/29/2006 7:01:09 AM PDT by snowman1
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Yes this is a good case for the church to stay out of state Business, as they are the ones that has caused the problem.


5 posted on 04/29/2006 7:07:21 AM PDT by zipp_city
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... "comprehensive reform" that deals compassionately ...

= AMNESTY

7 posted on 04/29/2006 7:11:28 AM PDT by manwiththehands (No, usted no puede!)
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Hypcrites.

The Cardinals need to get their pontifical asses down to Mexico, leading protests of the flocks of faithful against the injustice of the Mexican authorities that continues to produce the poverty there.

If their political advocacy on behalf of Mexican nationalism keeps up, the non-profit status of ALL American Catholic churches should be revoked.

American conservative Catholics should be outraged at their Cardinals shilling for a Mexican nationalist political movement.

There are thousands of non-Latino legal immigrants in my local community. THEY are outraged. They thought they were immigrating their families to a just nation where they could rely in the rule of law, not the rule of the mob, which many of them left behind. They don't understand why ONE foreign language, Spanish, should be raised above English, on THEIR children; this is not what THEY came to America for.

There is a GIANT lie, in the GOP, in the Demorats and in the media. The "movement" is not for immigrants, and not particularly not for legal immigrants and most particularly not for non-Hispanic immigrants. It is a movement pushing for the right of any Latino to set foot on U.S. soil and claim, by their presence, and by nothing else, the right to be here. It is a movement to use a planted mob of immigrants to change the political framework of north America, to disregard national sovereignty and our Constitution.

It is treason.

10 posted on 04/29/2006 7:16:37 AM PDT by Wuli
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Would the Cardinals consider asking their hundereds of hopstitals to provide free care for these poor illegal souls?


13 posted on 04/29/2006 7:20:07 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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Didn't they have a game that day? Oh, Cardinals. Like the swallows returning to Capistrano. No, CARDINALS! Men in red dresses Cardinals. Oh, never mind.

I hope the lawmakers told them "Your Eminences, forgiveness for sin is your business, not ours. Let the illegals repent in their home countries and join in with the Church on cleaning up the greed and corruption that made them leave in the first place."

14 posted on 04/29/2006 7:21:24 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Too soon to remember??? How about TOO SOON TO FORGET!" from Mr. Silverback)
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Have to wonder if, the issue was 12 million white WASPs from Europe, would we see such enthusiasm for the topic
15 posted on 04/29/2006 7:24:56 AM PDT by thinking
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"Several U.S. cardinals had a busy morning in Washington April 28 urging humane and compassionate immigration legislation as the Senate prepared to debate immigration reform."

Thank you cardinals.

18 posted on 04/29/2006 7:43:00 AM PDT by Earthdweller
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Gee did they happen to mention the innocent unborn. I doubt it.


28 posted on 04/29/2006 8:19:26 AM PDT by marty60
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...a march planned in Los Angeles, which was to start at 4 p.m.
in MacArthur Park.


That's why the children of the illegals have to be gotten out of
schools for the day. They are probably handling most of the pre-march
logistics while the illegals that can't take Monday off are working.

Thus they'll take advantage of day-light-saving time to have a
shut-down-the-freeways when working people are trying to get home
during evening rush hour. And local TV news coverage from about
six or seven hovering news helicopters.
(Yep, I've seen that many over the intersection of Wilshire Blvd. and
Sepulveda/Veteran in West Los Angeles when protestors have shut down
that area during an evening protest. Talk about burning fossil fuels!)

I hope the illegals totally jam Los Angeles, Dallas, etc. during Monday
evening rush-hour.
Nothing like a jammed freeway on the ride home to P-SS off even folks
that might be sympathetic to the illegals.
35 posted on 04/29/2006 9:08:18 AM PDT by VOA
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THESE CARDINALS DON'T WANT THE USA TO ENFORCE THE IMMIGRATION LAWS. THE FOLLOWING IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE USCCB LETTER TO THE SENATORS URGING THEM NOT TO STRICTLY ENFORCE THE LAW:




http://www.usccb.org/comm/archives/2006/06-069.shtml


While there is much to support in the Senate Judiciary Committee-reported version of CIRA, the bishops are deeply opposed to several provisions in Title II that would deprive immigrants of due process and even harm immigrants who are currently in the United States legally. We believe that as good as many of CIRA’s provisions are, a number of the provisions in Title II are harmful and should be either stricken or ameliorated during Senate floor consideration of the measure.

Among the provisions in Title II that concern the bishops are those that would:
- unjustifiably expand the definition of aggravated felony, thereby rendering many deserving aliens ineligible for immigration relief;
- increase and authorize the use of indiscriminate, mandatory and indefinite detention;
- expand the use of expedited removal, thus increasing the risk that the United States might return refugees, asylum seekers, unaccompanied children, trafficking victims, battered spouses, and other vulnerable populations to situations where they may face harm;
- place unjustified limitations on judicial review at a time when the judiciary has leveled unprecedented charges that the immigration court system is making unjust decisions, and
- increase the authority of state and local law enforcement agencies to enforce civil federal immigration laws.



39 posted on 04/29/2006 10:16:20 AM PDT by petkus
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We should compassionately and humanely return them to Mexico.
40 posted on 04/29/2006 11:27:22 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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I'm beginning to really dislike these people. They are a bunch of Democrat shills, trying to get more Democrat voters. They're no better than Reid, Kennedy, Pelosi, Harkin, etc.

They are dangerous because they have authority and reinforce people's liberal leanings. How often to they get involved in pro-life issues? Shame on all of them.

If they're going to encourage illegals to break the law, is it ok for the rest of us to pick and choose which laws we obey?

They're a bunch of socialists.

41 posted on 04/29/2006 11:32:56 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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ping


42 posted on 04/29/2006 11:46:12 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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Cardinals = Whores looking to fill their sunday baskets.


43 posted on 04/29/2006 12:14:26 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ((Immigration: Acting like dupes does not earn us their respect, but their CONTEMPT.))
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I don't like to see Cardinals come out on issues like this. It is their right, but they need to be very careful of what the implactions of their advocacy actually are. Here they are absolutely terrible.

These Cardinals are going on the record advocating humane treatment of foreign nationals on our soil. While I agree that humane treatment is to be regarded highly, isn't there another groups that needs to be treated humanely? Are U.S. Citizens being treated humanely? Is it humane to demand U.S. Citizens foot the bills for tens of millions of people? Is it humane to demand whole regions of our nation have their culture destroyed so it can be replaced by that of a foreign nation?

As a nation we have human rights. We have the right to devise laws that will govern how our nation operates. It is not inhumane to deny to foreign nationals.

Look folks, if we cannot devise and enforce rules to govern our borders then we simply cannot devise and enforce any rules at all.

If we cannot deny access to foreign nationals, how can we expect them to honor any of our other laws? They are after all citizens of another nation. Our laws do not apply to them. If our border laws are unreasonable, then what's to stop foreign nationals from claiming that any of our other laws are unreasonable, or that it is simply unreasonable to enforce those laws against them.

Where does it stop? Well, it doesn't.

As a citizen of this nation, I am subject to its laws. These Cardinals are claiming that foreign nationals are not. They are saying that concerns for humane treatment trumps the ability of the United States to enforce its laws. Today it's the border laws. Tomorrow it will be the laws against entitlements for foreign nationals. Then it will laws regarding certain practices that are okay in their nation of origion.

These priests are advocating the opening pandora's box. Sorry, no sale.


46 posted on 04/29/2006 1:30:31 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The United 'Door Mats' of America! Go ahead, scrape your feet on it. Everyone else is.)
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The U.S. bishops want a "comprehensive reform" that deals compassionately with the millions of undocumented aliens in the United States, Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick of Washington said in brief remarks at a photo opportunity between meetings on Capitol Hill.

Translation: We want to grow the Church on the US Taxpayer's back.

53 posted on 04/29/2006 3:33:25 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1623690/posts?page=228#228 clawrence3:"law abiding illegals")
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The U.S. bishops want a "comprehensive reform" that deals compassionately with the millions of undocumented aliens in the United States, ...

Did I hear someone say "compassion" again? Oh, good, I love to talk about compassion.

___________________________________________________________________________

There is no compassion in filling a man's stomach or his pocketbook by relieving him of his responsibilities in life. Illegal aliens have abandoned their own house in order to be comfortable in ours. By so doing neither can be the master of his own house and both will be enemies in the street. This is our house, the U.S. of A., and it is our responsibility to set the rules in it.

The issue of a guest worker program is separate from the issue of illegal aliens. If illegal aliens take jobs from Americans (and they do) they take even more jobs from foreign nationals who apply by the legal route to work here and wait years for the chance. Illegal aliens steal that chance from them.

They are different groups of people, regardless of their country of origin, and the political issues that concern them are different in their effects and needs. Confusing the two may be lethal to our society, economy and sovereignty.

We already have a guest worker program, which may indeed need to be reformed. But illegal aliens are those who have not applied to be guest workers. There are 11 million of them by some estimates, 20 million by others. The only thing needing reform concerning illegal aliens is to enforce the existing laws respecting their presence and their employment here. Our sovereignty and rule-of-law demand it.

Border security is the number one problem in this debate. The flood of illegal aliens is a major factor in relation to our lack of border security but it is only one factor. There is also a matter of national security in a time of war and in an age when terrorists have set their sights on inflicting mass destruction on our society.

After the issues of border security and millions of illegal foreign nationals on our soil the matter of guest workers is very small in comparison. Until the first two problems are thoroughly and firmly addressed the guest worker issue should not even be discussed.

The President and the Senate need to get that message with unambiguous resolve.

The best methods to control the border have been studied and debated for a long time now. There are many good ideas and proven solutions. What is lacking is only the will to do it. The cost of controlling our borders will be insignificant compared to the price we will pay, both in security and economy, if we do not.

It would be nice to help everyone in the world lift themselves up out of poverty. But we cannot take that responsibility upon ourselves especially if we ignore our own welfare to the point that we are no longer prosperous.

Other nations of the world have an obligation to help their citizens every bit as much as we have to help ours. It is one thing to help other nations prosper it is quite another to relieve them of their own responsibilities. Beyond that it is simply not realistic to think that poverty can be ended around the world. We still have some in this great nation.

We must stop pandering to American employers who criminally employ illegal foreign nationals. Dry up the jobs and illegal foreign nationals will go home. Home where they can do what they must to put their house in order just as we must put ours in order.

54 posted on 04/29/2006 6:27:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (Sedition and treason are getting to be a Beltway fashion.)
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If the Cardinals are advising on politics, then their entity is a taxable entity.


64 posted on 04/30/2006 5:41:56 PM PDT by meyer (Permanently boycott all businesses that close for the May 1st illegal alien march!)
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