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Myth vs. Fact: (You cannot deport 12 million people) Oh Yes You Can!
The New American ^ | May 1, 2006 | Thomas R. Eddlem

Posted on 04/25/2006 10:57:43 AM PDT by underwiredsupport

 

Myth vs. Fact
by Thomas R. Eddlem
May 1, 2006

http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/printer_3745.shtml

Politicians and pundits are defending illegal immigration with worn-out myths that can easily be proven wrong.

Myth: Illegal immigrants contribute greatly to the American economy.

Fact: So-called statistics supporting this myth are typically a deceptive amalgam of statistics and supposition arranged to conceal an undeniable truth. Consider, for instance, this statement from the ACLU paper Immigrants and the Economy (2002): "Immigrants pay more than $90 billion in taxes every year and receive only $5 billion in welfare. Without their contributions to the public treasury, the economy would suffer enormous losses." If 32.5 million immigrants (the total of legal and illegal immigrants, according to the recent U.S. Census figures) really pay $90 billion in taxes, then they pay half the taxes the average native-born American pays. Note too that the ACLU combines both legal and illegal immigrants into its statistic. Most taxes paid by immigrants are paid by legal immigrants. Illegal immigrants often pay little or no taxes because many of them are working "under the table" in the underground, cash-based economy.

Welfare is a term limited to only a few federal subsidy programs, and the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) notes: "Even though illegal aliens make little use of welfare, from which they are generally barred, the costs of illegal immigration in terms of government expenditures for education, criminal justice, and emergency medical care are significant." CIS estimates that the total net cost of illegal immigration is an annual drain on the government of $11-22 billion annually.

Myth: We are a nation of immigrants.

Fact: This myth is false on its face. Nearly 88 percent of the people living in the United States today are not immigrants; they were born here. This is a nation of natives, not a nation of immigrants. "But," the liberal propagandists reply, "we all have ancestors who come from other countries." And, one might reply, so does just about every other nation on Earth.

Are not the French merely descendents of the immigrant barbarian Franks, who drove out the Roman era Celtic Gauls? And the English are simply immigrant Angles and Saxons who virtually wiped out the Celtic Britons in the fifth century A.D. They too are simply nations of immigrants under this liberal myth, as is practically every other nation on Earth. The myth descends to meaninglessness upon any serious analysis. Yet whenever this myth is uttered, we are expected to nod our heads in agreement that a deep and salient point has been made.

Myth: You cannot deport 12 million people.

Fact: This is nothing more than a slogan for people who have stopped trying to address the problem. The U.S. government needs to begin deporting illegal aliens, and even if it only deports a fraction of them over the next few years that would be progress. If the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency deported only two million of the 12 million illegal aliens, 10 million illegals would be better than 12 million.

Congressman Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.) notes that enforcing employer sanctions could lead many to go home on their own without deportation proceedings: "If you can't get a job in this country, and if you can't get social service benefits, you go home." Additionally, a lot of immigrants visit families on their own, and wouldn't be able to get back in if Congress decides to secure the border.

On the other hand, if the 12 million illegals are legalized, none would be deported. Moreover, this amnesty (whether called amnesty or not) would simply induce more illegals to cross the Rio Grande in the hopes of waiting until the next amnesty.

Myth: Illegal immigrants are only taking jobs Americans do not want.

Fact: Many illegal immigrants are able to work for less than market value because they don't pay income or Social Security taxes and are able to take their entire paycheck (or cash) home. This is not only unfair competition against employers who follow the law and pay employees "above the table," but it depresses the wage scale for Americans who would otherwise select jobs currently filled by illegal immigrants. These are jobs that Americans "do not want" only because the illegal immigrants have depressed the wage scale for the positions. Take away the illegal immigrants, and the market would raise wages to the level where Americans would take the jobs.

Myth: Guest workers would only be here temporarily.

Fact: History demonstrates that "guest workers" would be as temporary as the "temporary" telephone tax, still in effect, that Congress enacted in 1898 to pay for the Spanish-American War. And what would happen if 12 million "guest workers" decided not to leave? Those who argue against deporting the current 12 million illegal aliens as impractical are likely, if challenged, to say they find the prospect of deporting "guest workers" impractical as well.

Thus, it is hardly surprising that President Bush fails to mention a time limit on the "temporary" worker visas the federal government would permit under the "guest worker" program he is pushing in his public addresses. Most pending congressional legislation would limit the "guest worker" to three years — but what then?

Myth: Illegal immigrants have a right to come here. It is our Christian duty to provide hospitality.

Fact: Nearly two-thirds of the 32.5 million foreign-born people living in the United States entered this country legally, and the United States has more legal immigrants than any other country in the world. That's hardly poor hospitality, and no bill before Congress that has a chance of becoming law would change this nation's hospitality. But it is poor hospitality to say to the nearly 22 million legal U.S. immigrants who waited in line that they wasted their time following the rules because illegal immigrants will now get the same status.

The need to deport illegal aliens and secure our borders has nothing to do with persecuting minorities or lack of hospitality. The United States can continue to allow a large or small number of immigrants into this country legally, depending upon how many can be reasonably assimilated without destroying our American identity. Rather, securing our borders is necessary as a matter of principle — in the interests of equal justice under law — as well as practical security in this age of international terrorism. And this nation can no longer afford to allow "myth-information" slogans to sidetrack the nation from fulfilling the mandate of controlling the borders.
 


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderlist; deportationpossible; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; minutemen
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To: NJ_gent
"Or are you saying that illegal aliens have more righs than American citizens?"

Why can't you just discuss what I said, instead of putting words in my mouth then disagreeing with what you made up?

181 posted on 04/25/2006 2:17:12 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: kabar

Wel, if you crossed the Mississippi in a train...


182 posted on 04/25/2006 2:18:18 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: NJ_gent

Good point!


183 posted on 04/25/2006 2:18:34 PM PDT by Sister_T (Kenneth Blackwell for Governor of Ohio!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"We don't need 12 million deportations, we need a few thousand employers in jail and the illegal will first stop coming, and eventually will have no choice but to go home."

We need both. We need jobs and freebie hand-outs from government social services elimintated, and we need those found to be living here illegally deported. I'll take a million deportations over the next 5 years, with an Israeli style border security fence, and a bunch of employers of illegals fined and jailed. If we take away the jobs, take away the hand-outs, and deport those who continue to stay behind while keeping them out, we'll be about as close to illegal-free as possible.
184 posted on 04/25/2006 2:20:01 PM PDT by NJ_gent (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: NJ_gent

My best guess tells me that the fence will not be built.


185 posted on 04/25/2006 2:20:44 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: underwiredsupport

B&B!!!

I have been saying this but this is a great reference to show to the anti-American supporters of these criminals.


186 posted on 04/25/2006 2:21:58 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "Illegal Aliens." Call them what they are: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: Zrob
"Build the fence first, screw bush, GOP and RATS: http://www.minutemanhq.com/bf/"

Fantastic. I'm going to donate $100 when I get home tonight, then I'm donating another $100 when I get my next paycheck. This is a fantastic idea.
187 posted on 04/25/2006 2:24:00 PM PDT by NJ_gent (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

You left out Payroll Taxes.

Illegal Aliens cost more than they help -- period.

There is not a single line of BS in this article -- as much as you would like to wish there to be.


188 posted on 04/25/2006 2:25:03 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "Illegal Aliens." Call them what they are: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

>>Are you saying that we did NOT import labor from Africa and China?<<

I said nothing of the kind.

You said there were jobs that Americans have NEVER done. I simply asked you to back up your claim. Name one.


189 posted on 04/25/2006 2:26:06 PM PDT by SerpentDove (We will not stand by and allow politicians to destroy our country through open borders.)
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To: SerpentDove; Dane
Too bad I already gave away today's Free Republic Award for Best Dramatic Performance.

You almost always have to save it for that drama queen. Check out #159.

190 posted on 04/25/2006 2:27:30 PM PDT by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: underwiredsupport

Bump, for continued reference


191 posted on 04/25/2006 2:28:21 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: Dane
You attack the publication without answering the question that the poster posed to you in the ping.

The question was: if we can't deport all the illegals now, what do we do when they reach the end of their 'guest worker' program and they're supposed to go home, but they refuse? Do we deport 11 million then? Or is that also impossible?
192 posted on 04/25/2006 2:29:26 PM PDT by NJ_gent (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: inquest

I see the resident twits have piped in!


193 posted on 04/25/2006 2:30:33 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: underwiredsupport

bttt


194 posted on 04/25/2006 2:30:56 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: inquest

>>You almost always have to save it for that drama queen. Check out #159.
<<

Hoo boy. It's like TLBSHOW redux.


195 posted on 04/25/2006 2:32:07 PM PDT by SerpentDove (We will not stand by and allow politicians to destroy our country through open borders.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
That JUST Social Security taxes mind you, they also pay sales taxes.

Car thieves pay taxes on the fuel they purchase to drive the stolen car. What's your point? Should they get to keep the car?

196 posted on 04/25/2006 2:32:50 PM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker; Luis Gonzalez
"How could an illegal alien pay into SS when you have to be a citizen or legally authorized alien to do so?"

You lie on job applications and illegally steal the identity of an American citizen in violation of our identity theft and fraud laws.

How do you do anything when your very presence is illegal? Carrying forth such borderless family values as: identity theft, social security fraud, wire fraud, etc. Illegally, of course. What's breaking one more law when you've already broken so many?
197 posted on 04/25/2006 2:33:15 PM PDT by NJ_gent (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: NJ_gent
You attack the publication without answering the question that the poster posed to you in the ping.

The New American is the house organ of the whacko birchers(do you believe that Eisenhower was a communist?) no different than the house organ of the old soviet union, pravda, or the house organ of the American democrat party, the new york times.

198 posted on 04/25/2006 2:33:36 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: NJ_gent
"You lie on job applications and illegally steal the identity of an American citizen in violation of our identity theft and fraud laws."

Your response assumes that only citizens get SS numbers, which is wrong.

You also assume tha some don't sell those numbers, which is also wrong.

199 posted on 04/25/2006 2:37:27 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: F.J. Mitchell
"Question is:"

The question is: will this child have any credit left when he/she reaches majority, or will they spend the better part of their latter teens and early to mid twenties trying to repair the damage done by criminal alien identity thieves?
200 posted on 04/25/2006 2:38:19 PM PDT by NJ_gent (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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