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About being laid off and unwanted when you're 59
The Star (South Chicago) ^ | 4/23/6 | Michael Bowers

Posted on 04/23/2006 7:49:45 AM PDT by SmithL

One of my readers is an underemployed 59-year-old man from among us here in the South Suburbs. Call him Harry. He works in information technology. Slowly and wearily, he says: "Once you get past 50, I swear, it gets tough, it gets really tough."

For instance, Harry applied for a job with a city of Chicago department that operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week. He got an offer for some contract work. There were no benefits, but it was a paying job.

A woman from the city called him one Monday morning and wanted to know if he could start at midnight. Harry said he'd like to give his current employer a week's notice. That wasn't good enough. The job was gone. The caller told him: "This is a brave new world. Learn to live with it."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: babyboomers; downsize; economy; education; employment; gig; gigs; jobs; knowyourrole; laidoff; layoffs; learn; retrain; retraining; rif; rightsize; role; training
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To: Myrddin
Man, I don't want to be a grown-up.

Anyway, good for you that you're OK now.

461 posted on 04/24/2006 4:52:22 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Tolerance is the last virtue of a depraved society.)
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To: ntnychik

Some good ideas. That's the way it is here. My check is for savings and other stuff. We live off my husbands. We have had lot's of bumps and a few free falls but if neither of us could work we would do ok. We would have to go on a strict spending diet but I just don't worry that much. The getting old is a bummer but I look at retirement as finishing school. "Free at last!" :')


462 posted on 04/24/2006 4:54:54 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Thanks for the reference to the parable of the Talents, although I don't believe financial stability or productivity was the intent of the parable. Matt 25:15 is an interesting study though.


463 posted on 04/24/2006 5:02:32 AM PDT by Cvengr
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To: tortoise

On the bright side, at least he'll finally be able to retrieve some of that unemplyment insurance he's paid into for so long.


464 posted on 04/24/2006 5:06:11 AM PDT by Cvengr
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To: CindyDawg
"We live off my husbands."

I hope you meant to include an apostrophe... but it also presents an interesting perspective on our social commentary that probably hasn't been experienced in large numbers until coming generations.

465 posted on 04/24/2006 5:11:53 AM PDT by Cvengr
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To: BlazingArizona
The solution is to contract

Nothing like being your own boss.

466 posted on 04/24/2006 5:12:39 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (delenda est Mecca)
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To: TheForceOfOne
"I know this sounds like pompous rhetoric but the only one watching out for you, is you. "

Even more blessed is the man who recognizes God looks out for him in all things. Ask any pastor or Christian who tithes regularly or over many years which is more important, to tithe or to set aside a nestegg. Almost every pastor I have ever known has a unique and robust experience of situations where all savings had been removed and His grace overcame all adversity, with Providence more rich and bountiful than their hopes had ever aspired.

The grace provided wasn't always worldly, but their discernment of a far more powerful advocate than they ever imagined seems to be a consistent theme, regardless denomination.

467 posted on 04/24/2006 5:24:28 AM PDT by Cvengr
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To: Cvengr
Hey, with the economy as it is, a one husband income isn't enough.':')

Seriously, it's very easy to get into the trap of improving your lifestyle as you make more and hard to get out of. When I had to work to help make ends meet, it was depressing. You work all week, the house stays a mess and maybe you have a few bucks left over. I don't put every dollar in savings though. I want to enjoy life, getting to retirement. In a responsible way of course. Who benefits if you work two or three jobs and never have time to spend with your wife kids because you were busy with growing old vs just growing?

468 posted on 04/24/2006 5:25:09 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Mr Rogers

That hasn't been my experience at all.

First, any reputable employer falls all over themselves to hire veterans. Veterans are mature, show up for work on time, are motivated, adaptable and flexible.

Secondly, determining technical acumen is what tech screens and interviews are for. Lack of an up-to-date skillset is a problem that has no age restriction, and I've interviewed a lot of candidates.


469 posted on 04/24/2006 5:26:44 AM PDT by Doohickey (Democrats are nothing without a constituency of victims.)
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To: CindyDawg

OK, ok. I know. There should be an "and" between wife and kids:')


470 posted on 04/24/2006 5:28:14 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: All

On second thought, make it wife's kids, if you are never around.


471 posted on 04/24/2006 5:29:29 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: MarkL
The job that I got had over 100 applications for the one opening.

That's all? The jobs that my company is posting for get hundreds to 1000+ resumes submitted. So much so that we decided to use a headhunter to vet the submissions.

The *problem* is the internet. I looked at a handful (50 or so) of the resumes submitted, and I only wanted to talk to one of the people. When I was job hunting out of college, I needed to submit a specifically directed resume, and well-written cover letter for each job. Therefore, I didn't apply to very many. Now, you can spam yourself out to the entire world with a few mouse clicks. Not *really* qualified? Who cares, the work falls to the employer.

We're on the East Coast, and have college kids on the West Coast spamming us with resumes for entry level Help Desk positions, and wondering why we won't pay to move them here for a low paying job that can be filled easily with local help. If they needed to actually put some work/thought into the application (or bothered to read the job description or the help wanted advertisement), they wouldn't be wasting everyone's time.

IMHO, if you're in IT right now, and unemployed, it's for one of two reasons. Either you're unwilling/unable to relocate or travel (bunch of the jobs that I've seen of late just require a laptop and accessibility to an airport) -or- you're unemployable. Of course, these conditions are subject to change. Maybe as soon as this afternoon. :-)

472 posted on 04/24/2006 6:11:36 AM PDT by wbill
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To: itsahoot

Still, there is nothing wrong with advice. Even old dogs can learn new tricks. I have benefited from advice at an early age and not all of that advice was nicey-nicey. Sometimes I got a slap upside the head. I do not believe in sugar-coating the problem and I'm not particularly concerned with somebody else's "self-esteem." If somebody has a problem, you are not going to help them with sympathy. You might make them feel better for a little while but it's not going to help them.


473 posted on 04/24/2006 6:44:49 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I think Randy Travis must be paying his bills on home computer by now)
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To: ContraryMary
There are many in the middle class who make too much to qualify for scholarships, but not enough to pay for their kids' college. And not every kid will be able to qualify for an ROTC scholarship.

It's easy to say do this...do that. However, everyone's circumstances are different. I have a friend whose kids' college fund was wiped out by emergency, and unanticipated, medical bills. I know some people who've had to pay for care for aging parents. I've known people whose businesses have gone belly up and have had to declare bankruptcy

gee, I was just thinking that the kid whose going to school could get a job or two. Lots of people do that. You're right about unexpected stuff happening, but then if they're wiped out by medical bills and bankruptcy wouldn't they qualify on financial hardship? .... I'm not sitting on any high horse and judging, just stating the case that parents aren't obliged to pay for college. It's a gift, a sacrifice and optional.... the "child" that's 18,19,20,21 is going to have to deal with "life's not fair".... it isn't, but nobody said it was.

the more I think about it, the more I wish I hadn't had to have 3 jobs in the summer so I could drink beer and tan myself with my buddies.

Yep, I've made up my mind... if you're 59 and need a job, life is definitely not fair.

474 posted on 04/24/2006 7:20:06 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: Myrddin
Whining about globalization isn't going to change a thing.

I said no such thing in that particular post. In fact, I was just pointing out that container technology is the next big thing, for any techies who are looking for work. Do you have a problem with that?
475 posted on 04/24/2006 7:36:30 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

"Poorly "planned lives" are the rule, not the exception. I'm just waiting for the big government rescue team to come knocking at my door, taking away what I've saved to give it to the high rollers."
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I am sure that all are delighted for you, 69. All are happy that your savings have not been interrupted by unexpected illness or tragedy.


476 posted on 04/24/2006 7:42:22 AM PDT by OkeyDokeyOkie
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To: hedgetrimmer

You know, before 1977 everybody thought that IBM could only get bigger.

If you had suggested that Bill Gates and Steve Jobs could become billionaires in a decade they would have locked you up.

So I guess you are saying that invention is now officially dead. Nobody can get ahead.

You would have been saying this for the last millenium.


477 posted on 04/24/2006 7:50:20 AM PDT by BillM
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To: CindyDawg
You must be willing to continue to change with the company and be open to new ideas too. You can't act "old"

Precisely. The potential advantage older people have is that their energy, if they apply it, tends to be far more focused and therefore effective -- working smart instead of hard. As I said, we've hired grandmothers already at their retirement age at high-tech startups, and I know of several others who are still in the game too. They aren't bouncing off the walls like a 20-something, but they are still very much in the game and far more effective than some of the young people that get brought in. Most of "acting old" is about coasting and doing the minimum to get through the day.

478 posted on 04/24/2006 7:58:53 AM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: Cvengr
On the bright side, at least he'll finally be able to retrieve some of that unemplyment insurance he's paid into for so long.

Heh, very true. I've been unemployed many times, and occasionally at length, but have never collected unemployment in my life. For better or worse, I probably will never have the chance again either.

479 posted on 04/24/2006 8:01:10 AM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: BillM
So I guess you are saying that invention is now officially dead

You are making this up.

I said, there are government programs in school that preselect you for your career. It starts in the 6th or 7th grade. Once they identify your career path, then they educate you toward that goal. It is the antithesis of liberty and individual responsibility. If you had any dealings with any schools nowadays you would know this. The programs are called school-to-work, Goals 2000 and No Child Left behind. They are modeled on soviet style workforce development where corporations tell the schools what kind of skills they want in students, and the schools teach that. They do not give a classic education, where students are taught the necessary thinking and investigative skills to be well educated and to make their own decisions about future careers. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs would have passed through the 'education system' before these programs were put into place.

Pay attention to what is happening in our schools please! The next insult to the system will be when Hispanic radicallist LA mayor Anthony Villagarosa changes the state constitution to let the mayors run the school system and take all authority away from the school board elected by the parents in a local district.

You have to be pretty BLIND to say students today have the same opportunity for an education that gives them free choice these days.
480 posted on 04/24/2006 8:01:10 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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