RUDY HITS HILL - Yank's Her Chain on Team

NY Post ^ | 4/19/06

[areafiftyone]

April 19, 2006 -- BLUE BELL, Pa. - Rudy Giuliani took a few swipes at Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton yesterday while campaigning for a Republican senator. In a speech on behalf of Sen. Rick Santorum, Giuliani recalled that for most of his mayoralty, there was one Republican and one Democratic senator representing New York. MO< "[For] one year, I had Hillary," he mock-complained, drawing laughter.

After a pause, he continued: "There's that book that just came out . . . [it] points out that one thing that Hillary and I do have in common: We're both Yankee fans. I became a Yankee fan growing up in New York. She became a Yankee fan growing up in Chicago."

Giuliani's reference to the latest anti-Hillary tome, which accuses her of pandering, recalled his jabs at Clinton's non-New York roots when they headed for a showdown in the 2000 Senate race, before he withdrew.

[NCLaw441]

I say that all the time on Yahoo chat. Here, it has proven to be the rule, not the exception. I guess that's why I spend too much time here.

[staytrue]

We tend to live in our own little Bubble.

Can't be said often enough.

[areafiftyone]

Got a pin? ;-)

[staytrue]

opposing santorum is casey, son of a former popular gov.

casey with a different name would be flipping burgers somewhere.

[Stand Watch Listen]

We're both Yankee fans. I became a Yankee fan growing up in New York. She became a Yankee fan growing up in Chicago."

The Hillary ‘curse’…

Oct 2000 -- Yanks beat Mets in World Series
Nov 2000 -- ‘#1’ Yankee Fan’, Hillary Rodham Clinton elected (Sen – D-NY)

Nov 2001 -- Yanks lose to Diamondbacks in WS delayed by 9/11
Oct 2002 -- Yanks don't even make it to WS; Angels beat Giants
Oct 2003 -- Yanks lose to Marlins in WS
Oct 2004 -- Yanks biggest choke - Yanks lose last 4 games of ALCS; Sox go on to sweep Cards in WS
Oct 2005 -- Yanks don’t even make it to WS; Chicago White Sox win series first time in 88 years

[staytrue]

one of the least popular mayors of the city, mainly due to his arrogant and abrasive manner

there are a lot of us who consider this a plus. Wash DC is no place for shrinking violets.

[staytrue]

Chicago White Sox win series first time in 88 years

If the white sox repeat, I'm looking for Senator Golddigger to become a life long ChiSox fan.

[staytrue]

Whoa ... that's a courteous, intelligent exchange. I don't think that kind of stuff is allowed on here.

I was thinking the same thing. I used to be courteous, but after a while of taking abuse, you just give in and start whacking people too, which is where I am now.

[Labyrinthos]

Stick a fork in him -- he's done. This is precisely the kind of information that is going to get a lot of scrutiny during the GOP primaries and/or the general campaign in 2008 -- and it's just one thing among many that's going to lead him to a defeat of embarassing proportions.

The legal case that you refer to is entitled The City of New York v, The United States of America, 179 F.3d 29 (2nd Cir. 1999). While the case did involve an long standing NYC policy regarding the disclosure of immigrant status, in its generic form, the case addressed a constituional issue that is very dear to the heart of many conservatives, and that is the 10th Amendment of the Constitution and the power of the Federal Government to regulate state and local concerns.

But even if Giuliani does support illegal immigration as you contend, then how does that make him any different than Presidient Bush and the significant plurality if not majority of Republicans in Congress who are willing to give legal status to illegal aliens. Indeed, if one sets aside President Bush's war on terror (for which he earns an A+) and his judical appointments (also an A+), he earns an F- in areas like fiscal restraint and shrinking the size of the Federal Government, as well as domestic leadership in the area of energy independence, tax reform, and social security reform.

My big beef with Rudy is with his abortion position, but that is only one of many issues that we have to weigh in deciding to elect a candidate. His position on homosexuality is in nothing more than political posturing to get elected mayor of a city full of democrates and homos. He is certainly not the first person to pander for votes, and there is not a candidate on the national sceen who hasn't done the same thing. I do know that the extremely liberal NYC press hated him (that's a good sign); Rudy thinks Pataki is an idiot and didn't endorse him for govenor (that's another good sign); under his stewardship, crime in NYC plunged to near record lows (another good sign), the welfare roles were purged of hundreds of thousands of deadbeats (another good sign); and NYC regained fiscal integrity (another good sign). Giuliani's divorce from psycholady, Donna Hanover is nor more relevant than Ronald Regan's divorce or Rush's two (or is it three) divorces. And while Rudy's relationship with Bernard Kerick is troublesome, there is not a politician in the world who doesn't wish they had a mulligan or two.

[areafiftyone]

He doesn't support Illegal Immigration - Read my post #70. He also has said the same thing just recently.

[Labyrinthos]

I understand that -- I'm just responding to Alberta's Fantasy.

[Constantine XIII]

The most important thing, after all, is that we feel good about our own righeous decision to abandon those candidates who aren't 100% REAL conservatives, right? :)

[Constantine XIII]

To be honest, I would go all out to make sure Rudy didn't get nominated. If he did manage to get nominated despite our best efforts, though, and I had to choose between Hillary Clinthulhu and Rudy, well, I'd vote for Rudy.

[Alberta's Child]

While the case did involve an long standing NYC policy regarding the disclosure of immigrant status, in its generic form, the case addressed a constituional issue that is very dear to the heart of many conservatives, and that is the 10th Amendment of the Constitution and the power of the Federal Government to regulate state and local concerns.

Baloney. That may be the rationale that "conservatives" used to justify the lawsuit, but if the Giuliani administration really gave a damn about the 10th Amendment it never would have lawsuits and/or Federal legislation in any number of other areas, like: 1) Federal gun control legislation, or 2) NYC's legal challenge to the Federal welfare reform law of 1996.

And even if the City had valid 10th Amendment concerns over that immigration law, how can a former Federal prosecutor keep a straight face while he stands up and publicly announces -- after he has exhausted all legal challenges in the Federal courts -- that he's simply going to ignore the law in question?

Imagine the bizarre world in which might very well find ourselves in 2008 -- when a Democrat like Mark Warner wins a historic landslide against Republican Rudy Giuliani by running a very credible national campaign as the more conservative candidate.

My biggest problem with Rudy Giuliani is that he's an opportunistic fraud whose public record makes him one of the least appealing GOP candidates we've seen in decades, whose political background is something I would expect to find in a radical Marxist and not a so-called "conservative," and whose superficial (but important) attributes make him absolutely unelectable on a national level.

None of this is all that important in the context of this discussion, mind you -- because he ain't running in 2008.

[CyberAnt]

And .. I'm hoping enough hard-core liberals will not be swayed to join in the elect-Hillary campaign. The MSN never talked about the expansive group of democrats who were apalled by Clinton's actions. But .. it always bothered me that none of them spoke up and denounced Clinton.

[YanksGiants2000]

Hillary saying that she is a Yankee fan makes me wanna throw up.

[b4its2late]

Me too.