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The fateful hour has arrived
Jewish World Review ^ | 17 April 2006 | Caroline B. Glick

Posted on 04/18/2006 3:09:54 PM PDT by Candor7

This week Iran presented the US with the ultimate challenge and Washington must now make a decision. Is it fighting to win?

Since the September 11 jihadist attacks on the US mainland, President George W. Bush has stated repeatedly that the greatest threat to global security is the specter of rogue regimes and terror groups acquiring weapons of mass destruction. At his January 2002 State of the Union address, the president declared that the regimes of Iran, North Korea and Iraq comprised an axis of evil and a central goal — indeed the most crucial goal — of the US-led war was to prevent them from acquiring or maintaining arsenals of weapons of mass destruction.

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This week Teheran threw down the gauntlet. The greatest battle of this war - the battle to prevent the world's most dangerous regime from attaining the most dangerous weapons known to man — has begun. The moment has arrived for President George W. Bush to make clear if he is, in the final analysis, the leader of the free world or its undertaker.

(Excerpt) Read more at jewishworldreview.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: allbutdeclared; challenge; iran; irannukes; islamofascist; pact; potus; thisisit; war
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To: Gaffer

A liberal is a liberal whether they call themselves Jewish or not. For a liberal, allegiance to socialism supercedes in all cases any other identity.

In terms of our own security, a successful strike on Israel would be devastating, depriving us of one of our most valuable intelligence and defense technology partners, to say nothing of the fallout that would come from such a clear failure of our security policy, not only in that area of the world, but globally.


41 posted on 04/19/2006 7:20:16 AM PDT by thoughtomator (That new ring around Uranus is courtesy of the IRS)
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To: thoughtomator
There you guys go again ..a successful strike on Israel.... I never said that. What it should take for the US to act, in its OWN interest, is a substantive, provable act, plan, or evidence of intention that such a move will occur. This is NOT, in my estimation, something that can be based on wild and hysterical claims in the media by a group (JWR) with such obvious motivations.

It's not up to the US to protect Israel; the Iraeli Government can do that just fine, thank-you-very much.....they should be able to do so; we gave them the nukes to do it.

42 posted on 04/19/2006 7:25:56 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
What it should take for the US to act, in its OWN interest, is a substantive, provable act, plan, or evidence of intention that such a move will occur.

Don't the clear, repeated statements and actions of the Iranian regime, to destroy the US and annihilate Israel, combined with their unmistakable quest for nuclear weapons and their status as the most overt sponsor of terrorism in the world, suffice to meet this requirement?

43 posted on 04/19/2006 7:50:24 AM PDT by thoughtomator (That new ring around Uranus is courtesy of the IRS)
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To: Gaffer
I say wait until Iran makes the first move and then retaliate, massively....

I agree. If we strike first, the casualties may be just as high as if they strike first.

A first strike on Iran's part may fizzle. Even if it doesn't it will make retaliation a moral imperitive.
Bush's opponents and detractors are hoping he strikes first so they can tear him apart.

44 posted on 04/19/2006 8:17:53 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I can't complain...but sometimes I still do.)
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To: thoughtomator

Words from a fanatic are one thing (remember Bagdad Bob? Huh?). Actions are another....


45 posted on 04/19/2006 1:02:33 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: thoughtomator
...Don't the clear, repeated statements and actions of the Iranian regime, to destroy the US and annihilate Israel, combined with their unmistakable quest for nuclear weapons and their status as the most overt sponsor of terrorism in the world, suffice to meet this requirement?

They may suffice. That will be confirmed when the Israelis strike them HARD or just nuke them and really get it over with.....

46 posted on 04/19/2006 1:09:54 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
You wrote:

"I'm sorry, but the Jews are crying wolf all the while they (American Jews) have been feeding the wolf bits of our flesh by consistently and doggedly being pro-liberal.....I say wait until Iran makes the first move and then retaliate, massively...."

And now you're repeating the old "I never said that."
47 posted on 04/19/2006 3:28:24 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: Gaffer
"See post 37 and 38. I also resent being called a neo-NAZI because I don't hold the same allegiance to Israel as you do."

Isreal is our ally. Allegiance to Iran by propagandizing for it is anti-American. Iran is threatening the USA and building nuclear weapons. Your false accusation about "allegiance" to Israel is pro-Iranian, anti-American propaganda that is well enough rebutted with ridicule. We've only seen that line from neo-Nazis and Democrats on the leftist/liberal anti-American fringe.

The British Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1613558/posts
48 posted on 04/19/2006 3:38:15 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: familyop

You are completely nuts.......


49 posted on 04/20/2006 3:51:36 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: familyop

Where in the line you quoted does it say, "...a successful strike on Israel?" You are a single minded cretin hell-bent on your attitude that everything we do in the mid-East must involve protecting Israel at all costs and anyone who disagrees is either a neo-NAZI or is anti-American...Israel can take care of itself.....


50 posted on 04/20/2006 4:00:08 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Jim Noble
Unless Congress declares war on Iran, Bush should not act.

Congress is more likely to declare war on Bush than on Iran.

51 posted on 04/20/2006 4:14:16 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk. Those who talk don't know.)
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To: Gaffer
we gave them the nukes to do it.

An excellent example of "wild claims" (post 38) and "unsubstantiated reports" (post 39)

52 posted on 04/20/2006 4:21:04 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk. Those who talk don't know.)
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To: Candor7
Unfortunately the MSM has brainwashed many Americans into believing that the the WOT amounts to nothing more than a protection racket administered by a 'Bush Mafiosi' driven by a struggle over scarce oil resources.

Blinded by their multicultural dreams, liberals cannot see a bigger struggle, the clash of two cultures.

This clash will end badly for us if we allow the 'death culture', radical Islam, to acquire nuclear weapons.


BUMP

53 posted on 04/20/2006 4:45:53 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Keep Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: familyop
Is that a April fool link
54 posted on 04/20/2006 4:52:20 AM PDT by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: JDoutrider
"DAMN THEM, DAMN THEM ALL TO HELL! "


55 posted on 04/20/2006 4:58:47 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: ASA Vet
Israel has nuclear weapons, plain and simple (look it up in Jane's, FAS.ORG, et al). Whether we gave them the fissionable material and they built the vessel doesn't matter.

Why don't you do a search on the NUMEC Corporation in Pennsylvania and how they "lost" 200 lbs of enriched uranium? They did not completely do it from start-to-finish on their own....

I'm not against dealing with IRAN as a threat to the US, but I am against blindly tying that act to "how does that affect Israel?" I'm not a Jew-hater; I have great respect for Israel and their capabilities and their ability to act in their own interests (even if it means spying on their allies -US). I just don't like our foreign policy being controlled by internal factions with external allegiances.

56 posted on 04/20/2006 5:47:07 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: capitalist229
Blinded by their multicultural dreams, liberals cannot see a bigger struggle, the clash of two cultures.>>>>>>

Agreed!

The problem in a nutshell:

Quote:

From Charles Krauthammer via Bill Hobbs:

The only conclusion one can draw is that for liberal Democrats, America's strategic interests are not just an irrelevance, but a deterrent to intervention. This is a perversity born of moral vanity. For liberals, foreign policy is social work. National interest - i.e., national selfishness - is a taint. The only justified interventions, therefore, are those which are morally pristine, namely, those which are uncorrupted by any suggestion of national interest.

Hence the central axiom of left-liberal foreign policy: The use of American force is always wrong, unless deployed in a region of no strategic significance to the United States.

Unquote

57 posted on 04/21/2006 9:34:23 AM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Candor7
For liberals, foreign policy is social work. National interest - i.e., national selfishness - is a taint.

Unfortunately most Americans do not like pre-emptive attacks especially after the MSM hammered Bush on the failure to find WMD in Iraq.

I agree with others on this forum that there must be a provocation, either real or manufactured.


BUMP

58 posted on 04/22/2006 5:14:12 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Keep Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: capitalist229
The strategy Dubyah is following on Iran is quitre nteresting. He is actually ignoring their military activities, and making public statements about diplomacy while saying all options are on the table.

This is madening to the Iranians who make sweeping statements such as " the earth will turn red with rivers of American blood...etc" and Dubyah makes NO response at all. This means they will continue whipping themselves up into gretaer and greater frenzy, as our war ships ail up close to their boundaries in the Gulf to taunt them.

One of these days soon the Iranians will attack a US Man of War, and then the action will begin.

The American public knows very little about all this and when the Iranian attack comes, it will be portrayed by our president as a surprise attack. And indeed it should be.Although I do not believe we need a repeat of the non attack that brought the Dimocrap Gulf of Tonkin resolution, which was instigated by Johnson.

59 posted on 04/22/2006 3:37:21 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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