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IMMIGRATION'S BIG BUSINESS (Senate no longer represents American citizens)
NY POST ^ | 4/16/06 | EDITORIALS

Posted on 04/16/2006 4:02:38 AM PDT by Liz

THE ISSUE: Tightened immigration control and fraudulent means to amnesty. ("Immigration-Fraud Boom," By Abby Wisse Schachter, PostOpinion, April 10).

**** .....the process to get a green card and citizenship...... isn't as cumbersome as that of some other nations. If prospective U.S. citizens don't want to follow this process, they can either stay home or return to their birthplace. It's as simple as that. Cleveland, Ohio

**** ......if the pro-amnesty forces in Washington get their way.......the multitude of illegal aliens in America will simply overload the already overloaded U.S. immigration system. Just the thought that the pro-amnesty senators and President Bush would even consider amnesty shows how dangerously out of touch they are with the workings of their own government and, more importantly, with the lives of average Americans. The Bronx

**** The Senate obviously no longer represents the American citizen. The illegal-alien situation is beyond what we are able to endure. Our social infrastructure, medical system and prison system are overwhelmed. If our senators think that a $1,000 fine will make things right for an illegal, why do they think that Americans should pay many times that amount in taxes? Calabash, N.C.

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If our senators think that a (the amnesty bill rewqiring a) $1,000 fine will make things right for an illegal, why do they think that Americans should pay many times that amount in taxes?

The unprecedented use of the US government to get extraordinary special treatment for south-of-the-border lawbreakers---and soaking working class Americans with the bills to subsidize lawbreaking---is an outrage.

1 posted on 04/16/2006 4:02:42 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz

If they let these illegals out of IRS penalties, can you imagine the legalities following that amnesty?


2 posted on 04/16/2006 4:04:38 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Republicans protect Americans from terrorists, Democrats protect terrorists from Americans)
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To: Loud Mime

They've already soaked us bigtime, collecting SS benefits, UI, Workmen's Comp (monies taken out of the US, sent home to Mexico), not to mention financially devastating our health care system, welfare system, schools system, and so on, and so forth, ad infinitum, ad nauseaum.

All Americans want to know is how do we get 'em TH out of our country------and it better not cost us a frigging red cent. They walked over, let 'em walk back.


3 posted on 04/16/2006 4:12:57 AM PDT by Liz (We have room for but one flag, the American flag." —Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: Liz
Man! Waiting for this other shoe to drop in the Senate next week is excruciating! I've cut back my posting just so I don't say anything too over the top.

I don't know if I want them to pass some piece of slop bill and then fight over it all summer before the House gets it, or if I want them to kill the Senate bill totally, knowing that it will have to be dealt with sometime anyway! It's torture!
4 posted on 04/16/2006 4:17:17 AM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: Liz

I would be willing to bet that IF GIVEN THE CHANCE to enter LEGALLY to be fingerprinted, photographed, background check, interrogated, BEFORE given entry to
"Do the "JOBS" Americans wont do"
They WOULD NOT ENTER!!!!

WHY? because their intent is not truly known!

America is their own GOLDEN CASH COW!!!!!


5 posted on 04/16/2006 4:24:23 AM PDT by stopem (Happy Easter, He Has Risen! Allelujia!)
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To: starbase

Like I posted a while back about the first pass at the Spector bill - it was designed to be a first try that failed. My guess is that the political classes are being surprised at the depth of the concerns that are bubbling to surface. Immigration is _the_ issue that will decide the next election nationwide. If the Republicans don't handle this right, it will mean the Senate and the House.


6 posted on 04/16/2006 4:26:42 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: starbase

Some of our best conservative minds have suggested there will be no bill. Period.

The political climate is foreboding. Fallout from the rallies---- with Mexican flags flying, and the talk of American imperialism----indicates they were a huge turnoff.....and had a surprising effect.

The rallies succeeded in organizing Americans from both ends of the political spectrum into a unified force against amnesty and the illegal invasion.

This is a red-hot potato, and our legislators are too cowardly to take a position that would earn them nothing but scorn.


7 posted on 04/16/2006 4:28:56 AM PDT by Liz (We have room for but one flag, the American flag." —Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: Liz
The senate is removed from reality when it comes to illegal aliens. Their amnesty plan sells out the security of our country and our citizens.

The republicans in the senate are beholding to fat-cat businessmen who love cheap, docile labor. Like wallmart, they can shift part of the wages and most all of the benefits onto the backs of the taxpayers, in the form of food-stamps and medicaid.

The democrats in the senate just want more poor people. They know the poor vote mainly for democrats.

Senators from both parties are so arrogant because they think "Who are they going to vote for? The other party?". Senators are in for six years so they don't have to face the voters all that often.

I ask the question: Can we have recall elections to remove senators, mid-term, from office? For example, say a rino senator is one year into their six year term. Can the citizens of his state get enough signatures to have a special election to have him recalled? I hope so.

The senate needs to be more responsive to the American people. Nailing a few of them in mid-term recall elections is a way to do it.

8 posted on 04/16/2006 4:29:36 AM PDT by glockmeister40
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To: Liz
Seems all our fundamental institutions have their tentacles all over this illegal invasion. The politicos are needing votes, education system need a new supply after they have left our children behind, those of the economic tentacles do need cheap labor without benefits, call it a hidden tax hike for medical and educational benefits. Lastly but of the higher order that religious covering.

Imagine Hillry putting on a collar.... didn't somebody very very religious say she would make a good president???
9 posted on 04/16/2006 4:32:13 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: stopem
Just heard Eias Bermudez from Immigrants Without Borders (OBL), tell FOX that very large businesses in the Phoenix area, ALL 12 Stores in the Phoenix area will be closed in solidarity with the Illegals!!

I want to know the names of those businesses, so I can boycott, the next day.

sw

10 posted on 04/16/2006 4:32:17 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (He has Risen)
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To: glorgau
If the Republicans don't handle this right, it will mean the Senate and the House.

I think you're right. Wow, what chaos if the House and Senate went to the Dims, with Bush in two more years, then can you imagine what insanity '08 would be under those circumstances?

But if the Senate and House go Dim in '06, does that guarantee amnesty because the Dims will pass it and Bush will sign it? Or will it guarantee no amnesty because the Dims won't want Bush to get credit for it?
11 posted on 04/16/2006 4:32:32 AM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: Liz
Some of our best conservative minds have suggested there will be no bill. Period.

The estimates for the cost of this boondoggle have been $60 billion per year.

Kris Kobach, former head of immigration in the Justice Department, told us in a meeting the one thing we cannot accept is amnesty. He defined amnesty as "any" moving from an illegal to a legal state.
12 posted on 04/16/2006 4:34:37 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: stopem
You got that right.

The illegal invasion has concentrated the attention of all Americans on the nature of democracy and its central bulwark against anarchy---our Constitution and the rule of law.

The arrogance of these illegal mental midgets---- lettuce pickers and hamburger flippers. These imbeciles actually believe wavng the Mexican flag in our faces helps their case.

Some lowlife drug lord actually told these morons that Americans are a bunch of suckers who cannot see past the smoke and mirrors, and that we would sit still for their abhorent immigration amnesty bill.

The drug cadres, the pushers and smugglers, are hiding behind the backsides of vote-hungry US elected officials bandying about the bill that treats these lawbreakers better than law-abiding US citizens.

No one---left or right---is impressed by this conspiracy of spineless marionettes dancing limply on the strings of corruption, manipulated by the unseen alien horde puppetmasters lurking behind the scenes, ready to pounce on US assets.

14 posted on 04/16/2006 4:35:04 AM PDT by Liz (We have room for but one flag, the American flag." —Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: Liz

IMHO, we may yet be able to use the immigration issue to force tax reform....bartering an amnesty program for the Fair Tax bill...


15 posted on 04/16/2006 4:41:22 AM PDT by mo
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To: spectre; stopem
Organized closing down of businesses could be a violation of RICO laws. Under RICO, organized boycotts by illegals that deliberately hurts the US economy is prosecutable. Report the activities of these boycott organizing groups to the US Dept of Justice----email ASKDOJ@USDOJ.gov.

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If elected and appointed government officals aid and abet boycotts, this could violate The Hobbs Act----The Hobbs Act covers extortion by public officials, as follows: 2403 Hobbs Act -- Extortion By Force, Violence, or Fear.

The Hobbs Act regulates extortion and robbery, which Congress has determined have a substantial effect on interstate and foreign commerce by reason of their repetition and aggregate effect on the economy. Therefore, the proscribed offenses fall within the category of crimes based on the Commerce Clause whose "de minimis character of individual instances arising under [the] statute is of no consequence."

Primary investigative jurisdiction of offenses in 18 U.S.C. § 1951 lies with the FBI. The Inspector General's Office of Investigations, Division of Labor Racketeering (formerly the Office of Labor Racketeering), United States Department of Labor, is also authorized to investigate violations of 18 U.S.C. § 1951 in labor-management disputes involving the extortion of property from employers by reason of authority conferred on nvestigators as Special Deputy United States Marshals. Supervisory jurisdiction over 18 U.S.C. § 1951 is exercised by the following offices with respect to the offenses noted:

1. Extortion under color of official right or extortion by a public official through misuse of his/her office is supervised by the Public Integrity Section, Criminal Division.

2. Extortion and robbery in labor-management disputes is supervised by the Labor-Management Unit of the Organized Crime and Racketeering Section, Criminal Division.

3. All other extortion and robbery offenses not involving public officials or labor-management disputes are supervised by the Terrorism and Violent Crimes Section, Criminal Division.

SOURCE October 1997 Criminal Resource Manual 2403 http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm02403.htm

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Officials of states and municipalities that announce they won't support US laws banning illegals, and the like---- and using government offices to support lawbreaking----are jeopardizing their tax-exempt municipal and school bond issues.

Lawbreaking by illegals includes using phony documentation to obtain tax-paid government benefits, drivers licenses, tax-paid health care, and government-sponsored mortgages. These are serious financial crimes that violate fiduciary duties of elected officials, and jeopardizes the financial interests of investors and holders of tax-exempt state, municpal, highway, and school bond issues.

If states and municipalities are placing bond referenda on ballots, and are allowing illegals to use phony documenation to vote on bond issues, that would constitute felonious activity, and should be reported. This could also involve collusion of federal, state, and municipal government officials to misuse your tax assets. The SEC should be notified. EMAIL enforcement@SEC.gov.

16 posted on 04/16/2006 4:48:39 AM PDT by Liz (We have room for but one flag, the American flag." —Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: Liz; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; DoughtyOne; Borax Queen; Travis McGee; Jeff Head; DollyCali; ..



17 posted on 04/16/2006 4:52:02 AM PDT by devolve ((----Kimberly Guilfoyle - bicoastal or another thespian?))
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To: GarySpFc

IMMIGRATION POLITICS: MARCHING MADNESS
(pro-aliens deranged conduct hurting cause)
By John Podheretz NY POST
SOURCE: http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/66798.htm


EXCERPT........things are moving rapidly in the direction of the immigration restrictionists. That may not be due to anything they've done or said. Rather, the idea that something has to be done about illegal immigration is in part due to politically deranged conduct on the part of those who claim to be working on behalf of illegal aliens.


The demonstrations - are politically incomprehensible. If their purpose is to influence the political debate in a direction favorable to the interests of illegal aliens, then their organizers are deluded. The rapidly rising concern about the issue is a clear indication that the first round of demonstrations a few weeks ago, featuring Mexican flags dominating American flags and wild talk about American imperialism, were self-defeating.


There is no chance on earth that Congress is going to adopt a wildly liberal set of policies on illegal immigration. ......the immigration interest groups and others seem intent on radicalizing the debate, in making it clear to many people who aren't yet committed to one side or the other on this issue that the pro-immigrant side is nuts and the anti-immigrant side is more sensible.

The direction all this will take in years to come is unknowable. It may align Hispanics with the Democrats in the long term. On the other hand, it may drive more Democratic voters of modest means into the Republican camp, offsetting the Democratic gain. No matter how you slice it, these demonstrations were and are a horrible mistake.


18 posted on 04/16/2006 4:53:26 AM PDT by Liz (We have room for but one flag, the American flag." —Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: devolve

LOL!!!;)


19 posted on 04/16/2006 4:55:22 AM PDT by stopem (Happy Easter, He Has Risen! Allelujia!)
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To: glorgau

If the Republicans don't handle this right, it will mean the Senate and the House.



The hispanic vote has a history of being very pro-democrat. If the Republicans grant amnesty, citizenship, and voting rights to more than 12 million illegals, either the Republican Party will become completely socialist or the Republicans will permanently lose the House and the Senate.


20 posted on 04/16/2006 5:00:21 AM PDT by old republic
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