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Rebutting Darwinists: (Survey shows 2/3 of Scientists Believe in God)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 04/15/2006 | Ted Byfield

Posted on 04/15/2006 11:44:16 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

Rebutting Darwinists

Posted: April 15, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

I suggested here last week that the established authorities of every age act consistently. They become vigilantly militant against non-conforming dissidents who challenge their assumptions.

Thus when the dissident Galileo challenged the assumptions of the 17th century papacy, it shut him up. Now when the advocates of "intelligent design" challenge the scientific establishment's assumptions about "natural selection," it moves aggressively to shut them up. So the I.D. people have this in common with Galileo.

I received a dozen letters on this, three in mild agreement, the rest in scorn and outrage. This calls for a response.

Where, one reader demanded, did I get the information that 10 percent of scientists accept intelligent design? I got it from a National Post (newspaper) article published two years ago, which said that 90 percent of the members of the National Academy of Science "consider themselves atheists." Since if you're not an atheist, you allow for the possibility of a Mind or Intelligence behind nature, this puts 10 percent in the I.D. camp.

I could have gone further. A survey last year by Rice University, financed by the Templeton Foundation, found that about two-thirds of scientists believed in God. A poll published by Gallup in 1997 asked: Do you believe that "man has developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process, including man's creation?" – essentially the I.D. position. Just under 40 percent of scientists said yes. So perhaps my 10 percent was far too low.

Two readers called my attention to a discovery last week on an Arctic island of something which may be the fossil remains of the mysteriously missing "transitional species." Or then maybe it isn't transitional. Maybe it's a hitherto undetected species on its own.

But the very exuberance with which such a discovery is announced argues the I.D. case. If Darwin was right, and the change from one species to another through natural selection occurred constantly in millions of instances over millions of years, then the fossil record should be teaming with transitional species. It isn't. That's why even one possibility, after many years of searching, becomes front-page news.

Another letter complains that I.D. cannot be advanced as even a theory unless evidence of the nature of this "Divine" element is presented. But the evidence is in nature itself. The single cell shows such extraordinary complexity that to suggest it came about by sheer accident taxes credulity. If you see a footprint in the sand, that surely evidences human activity. The demand – "Yes, but whose footprint is it?"– does not disqualify the contention that somebody was there. "Nope," says the establishment, "not until you can tell us who it was will we let you raise this question in schools."

Another reader argues that Galileo stood for freedom of inquiry, whereas I.D. advocates want to suppress inquiry. This writer apparently did not notice what caused me to write the column. It was the rejection by a government agency for a $40,000 grant to a McGill University anti-I.D. lobby to suppress the presentation and discussion of I.D. theory in the Canadian schools. Suppressing discussion is an odd way of encouraging "freedom of inquiry." Anyway, the I.D. movement doesn't want to suppress evolution. It merely wants it presented as a theory, alongside the I.D. theory.

Why, asked another reader, did I not identify the gutsy woman who stated the reason for the rejection, bringing upon herself the scorn of scientific authority. That's fair. Her name is Janet Halliwell, a chemist and executive vice president of the Social Science and Humanities Research Council. She said that evolution is a theory, not a fact, and the McGill application offered no evidence to support it.

The McGill applicant was furious. Evolution, he said, needs no evidence. It's fact. Apparently Harvard University doesn't quite agree with him. The Boston Globe reports that Harvard has begun an expensive project to discover how life emerged from the chemical soup of early earth. In the 150 years since Darwin, says the Globe, "scientists cannot explain how the process began."

The most sensible letter came from a research scientist. "I think that the current paradigm of evolution by natural selection acting on random variation will change," he writes. "I think that evidence will accumulate to suggest that much of the genetic variation leading to the evolution of life on earth was not random, but was generated by biochemical processes that exhibit intelligent behavior."

Then he urges me not to disclose his identity. Saying this publicly would threaten his getting tenure, he fears. Galileo would understand.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevo; crevolist; darwinism; darwinists; evoidiots; evolutionistmorons; god; id; idjunkscience; ignoranceisstrength; intelligentdesign; scientists; youngearthcultists
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It is my opinion that Christians who believe in Christianity are simply uninformed about the lack of scientific support for evolution.

Freudian post of the day.

561 posted on 04/17/2006 9:48:33 AM PDT by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: connectthedots
Ok but does that change the fundamental belief in God or the tenants of an organized religion - which is many if not most peoples idea of how you worship God. The tenants of the Catholic church for example do change but very slowly and they have killed thousands who dared to change. I was specifically referring to a "belief system" generally associated with organized religion. Did you believe you would like dancing or was it just and idea you had that that didn't look enjoyable?
562 posted on 04/17/2006 9:50:14 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: Californiajones
Dimensio, you want cultural fallout of EvoThink? They are still finding mass graves in Russia from Stalin's time. He murdered his own people, his army Generals, Jews, conspirators of all shapes and sizes, especially Capitalists and Kulaks, he strangled his own wife. Someone wrote here that Stalin was sane --- what? Yeah, I attribute his irrationality and murderous ways to the holy triumvirate of Marx, Darwin and a little bit of Freud/Nietzsche.

You have still not shown any reason to believe that Darwin's theory was responsible for Stalin's atrocities. You have not demonstrated any link between the statements of Darwin's theories and Stalin's actions. You have merely restated your original unsubstantiated assertion in a more descriptive fashion.
563 posted on 04/17/2006 10:05:58 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Californiajones
You want to argue that murdering totalitarian communists weren't influenced by Darwin, I'm sure the Lord will hear you out.

You have thus far not shown any reason to believe that they were influenced by Darwin. Simply saying that they were influenced by Darwin does not constitute evidence. I find it curious that, thus far, you have made it a point not to support your claims. Why is this?
564 posted on 04/17/2006 10:07:29 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Californiajones
What is murderous is the foundation of Evolution that paved the way for Marxism.

How did the theory of evolution "pave the way" for a poloticial ideology that was devised before Darwin published his theory? You have thus far provided absolutely no support for your claims regarding the alleged consequences of the theory of evolution, and now you are claiming that the theory of evolution caused events to occur before anyone even knew about it. This is chronologically impossible.
565 posted on 04/17/2006 10:09:30 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Californiajones
The cultural fallout of EvoThink has been disastrous because without the foundation of Darwin, atheistic Marxism would have not taken hold.

How does the theory of evolution lend credence to "atheistic Marxism"?
566 posted on 04/17/2006 10:12:28 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: SirLinksalot

We sleep with God on darkest night, to go with Satan at first light.


567 posted on 04/17/2006 10:13:44 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Diamond

I am aware of Steven Jay Gould's opinions on the matter. I am asking how the theory of evolution itself makes such an implication, especially given that an "immortal soul" is a supernatural concept, and it is impossible to draw conclusions regarding the existence of supernatural entities from scientific theories.


568 posted on 04/17/2006 10:16:26 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio
"This is chronologically impossible."

Perhaps it was a temporal anomaly caused by a rupture in the space time continuum. It is not without precedent:


569 posted on 04/17/2006 10:19:56 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

The Future as History placemarker. I do think it is a bit unfair to require creationists to understand the concept of time. It's too hard.


570 posted on 04/17/2006 10:24:44 AM PDT by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: js1138
You can say water runs uphill with a straight face.

Depending upon one's orientation it most certainly can.

Cataloging the differences between and among species does not address the actual process or cause involved. Natural selection is not a mechanism, per se. It has, to our knowledge, no impetus of it's own. We only see its results, and from those results we give it a label. It is an arbitrary ascription. The only way one may assert change without limits from one species to another is through conjectural extrapolations, not direct observation.

571 posted on 04/17/2006 10:52:25 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Fester physics: phenomena lacking an impetus of their own are not really mechanisms.


572 posted on 04/17/2006 10:58:25 AM PDT by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: ahayes
Gravity is not a visible phenomenon. Are you familiar with intelligent falling?

I consider gravity to be a product of intelligent design, not an agent of intelligence. Maybe you consider natural selection to be a product of "nature." Does that make you a better scientist than someone who considers it to be a product of "intelligent design?" Of course if you're not getting paid for your pronouncements and subscribe to the authority and accuracy of the biblical texts there is no way you could be a scientist in the first place, let alone study science.

573 posted on 04/17/2006 11:11:11 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: js1138
A mechanism consists of components that work together to produce a result. Their presence is better ascribed to intelligent design than to non-intelligent non-design, as with any process that moves from cause to effect. Natural selection is not necessarily causal. It certainly has not been observed to be responsible for the range of living species observed in the world today, and it is predictable only to the extent we know its history.
574 posted on 04/17/2006 11:28:10 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Alter Kaker
Accepting evolution and believing in God are not mutually exclusive.

Yes they are.

No...they're not. I believe in God and I believe that God created the universe and all the laws of nature, including gravity, weather systems and the evolution of life.

Who are you to tell me what I believe and what I don't believe? And who are you to tell me that I can't believe in both God and evolution. Since I DO, your statement doesn't wash.

575 posted on 04/17/2006 11:42:09 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Californiajones
Because Darwin infers that we do not have an immortal soul.

Huh? The God that you believe in is so weak that he couldn't grant immortal souls to intelligent apes if they evolved that way, but only if He created the first one and the first one's wife ex nihilo? That is one weak God.

576 posted on 04/17/2006 11:43:36 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Miraculous explanations are just spasmodic omphalism)
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To: Lucky Dog
How this argument logically any different from that of the creationists? It appears that you have merely substituted arbitrary female choice for the arbitrary choice of a deity.

Occam's Razor. Maybe feathers fall to the ground slowly because their air resistance is high compared with their gravitational attraction to the earth. Or maybe they fall to the ground slowly because invisible fairies don't like them falling quickly (these fairies require minute amounts of oxygen and therefore cannot survive in a vacuum). The thing about the arbitrary female choice as opposed to the arbitrary choice of deity is that it doesn't involve an additional unnecessary entity.

577 posted on 04/17/2006 11:51:30 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Miraculous explanations are just spasmodic omphalism)
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To: Tokra

Alter Kaker is relating the bizarro worldview of SirLinksalot, not expressing his own opinion on the matter.


578 posted on 04/17/2006 11:53:47 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

You are attributing intention to inanimate objects.

And evolution predicted where to look for the recently found fish fossils, and what to expect. No other explanitory hypothesis can do that.


579 posted on 04/17/2006 11:54:28 AM PDT by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: Californiajones
Chalk up the eighty million dead at Stalin's hand to "faulty logic", then.

Do you have a cite for that 80 million number?

580 posted on 04/17/2006 12:06:08 PM PDT by Thatcherite (Miraculous explanations are just spasmodic omphalism)
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