Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 9 April 2006

Various big media television networks ^ | 9 April 2006 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

[Alas Babylon!]

The Talk Shows

Sunday, April 9th, 2006

Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:

FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa.; Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y.; U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad.

MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass.; Reps. Henry Bonilla, R-Texas, Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., and J.D. Hayworth, R-Ariz.

FACE THE NATION (CBS): Reps. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., and Xavier Becerra, D-Calif.; General Motors Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Richard Wagoner.

THIS WEEK (ABC): House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio; former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson; actress and animal activist Bernadette Peters.

LATE EDITION (CNN) : Kerry; Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz.; Khalilzad; retired Gen. Anthony Zinni..

[eeevil conservative]

WOW!

game, set, match...

just dust off the dirt and take your victory lap!!

;-)

[Pukin Dog]

That if it ever came about to deport a large percentage of the illegals...it could very likely COLLAPSE our economy, because of all of the home mortgages that would be in default...other bank loans...businesses that cater to them, or are run by them...ALL would affect our economy very badly.

Who gave you permission to inject common sense into this argument?

[eeevil conservative]

Your post #794 is the largest example of projection that I have ever seen.

ROFLLLL !!

Really?

you really should read your own writings before posting them....

;-)

[eeevil conservative]

LOL! Why does that NOT surprise me?

thanks for sharing that with us....

[Morgan in Denver]

I remember your dad having to do that too.

I hope you don't mind my using the UK or Canadian health program for examples. It's important to keep reminding people why we do NOT want universal healthcare paid through taxes.

[MNJohnnie]

but debt loads incurred and taxes siphoned off for social services to illegals run

Sorry that is a completely unprovable assumption. I know that is not what Freepers want to hear but the "indirect" costs" are no more measurable then the "Gains" from illegals. Both sides can throw factoids around all day. Only problem is all the assumptions they build off of our assumptions, not facts. No matter WHAT a favorite talking head tells you. They cannot measure the costs, nor the gains either, with any level of surety. That is just basic economic reality. Too many variables, too many unprovable assumptions. Maybe it is true, maybe not also

[Pukin Dog]

I would caution you to not make this argument personal. The fact that you and others can never come up with a coherent argument against the point I made is always clear when the name calling begins. Watch yourself.

[rcocean]

"I don't have to parrot what others say, but your point about paid labor makes MY point, but you don't seem to realize that. Maybe you should consider where that other 93% comes from, and consider what would happen if that cost were to double?"

Your logic escapes me. 7% is 7%. The idea that increasing paid labor -which is 7% of retail price - would double the price, makes no sense.

And 75% of farm laborers are already US citizen or Legal immigrants.

Its a global economy. We'll import produce from Mexico before we double the price.

So tell me again why we'd be paying $5 a head for lettuce without illegals.

[MNJohnnie]

It's from Rush's website. Posted on the home page Right side column. I think they have a live link in the text to the Brookings docs

[rodguy911]

I'm at a complete and total loss on how to get the media to pay attention to the saddam documents,,,,

It's gonna take a Lou Dobbs style effort. Love him or hate him he has been dogged on the border for months and months, on each and every show he does. Even with CNN's small/shrinking audience it finally took hold.

We need a conservative broadcaster to jump on the Saddam document bandwagon, someone who will read a new document on every show, and never ever let up. The lamestream media will ignore anything and everything that doesn't swing to the left except for stuff that does not go away. That will be our job to see that key things like the Saddam docs, Able Danger, Barret etc. do not go away.

Sooner or later the truth shall prevail.

[Miss Marple]

Aside from the economic argument, which I am not educated enough to discuss with any sort of accuracy, I would like to bring up a more important point.

Immigration does not exist in a vacuum. It has to be dealt with in the context of other issues occurring concurrently. The President has to be concerned about the results of the Mexican election in July, and the result of an anti-American getting elected as regards to trade, oil and gas prices, American businesses in Mexico, etc. We also do not know what help Mexico gives us in catching terrorists who attempt to get through to the USA. It is quite possible that the porous border is allowed as a sort of flypaper. (I am not saying this is a fact, but only a supposition.)

Since it is obvious that President Bush has the security of this nation in mind, why IS it that he has not pushed for closing the border? I do not accept the simplistic notions of the ranters I run into on FR (Bush is in Fox's pocket, Bush loves Mexicans, etc. etc.).

The war on terror is a giant chess game, and there are things we don't know. Disclaimer: I am simply postulating without having any real knowledge.

[eeevil conservative]

Txsleuth ALWAYS uses her brain.. she ROCKS! her argument is an example of using FACTS... not hyperbole...

Txsleuth- your info may be spot on... but that just brings me back to this point....

"it is always harder to feel the pain when we correct our wrongs than it is to continue down the road that got us in the mess.....

not EVERYONE takes the easy route.... "

I am not saying that cracking down on illegal immigration won't hurt... and I am NOT saying that you would ever choose the easy road instead of the right one...I AM saying that it is FAR better than continueing down the road we are on.....It will hurt us much more in the long run if we DON'T!

[MNJohnnie]

He should be fired simply for being there for over 20 years! Are ANY of these Democrat Dinasours EVER leaving the Senate? No wonder we get nothing done. They all think it still 1980 in the world.

[Pukin Dog]

Your logic escapes me.

Yes, it escapes many of you, but that alone does not make it unsound.

Your point about 75% of farm workers is neither true nor relevant to the issue. The issue you are arguing(or attempting to) is about COGS (cost of good and services) and their breakdown. Unless you understand this breakdown, and each item's relationship to the others, you wont understand what I said.

[rockrr]

Your "points" are largely irrational and emotionally based. You are all over the map, and for reasons I can only speculate. You've gone out of your way to insinuate thing of others, cast aspersions, and insult folks in the pursuit of your "point" (whatever the heck that is) and I have invited myself in.

I've been nice. I cautioned you about the impropriety of your posts. I stated my position. I invited you to prove me wrong.

Do so or STFU.

[snugs]

British produce is more expensive than imported. Most of our cheaper fruit and veg comes from Spain.

Oranges are either Spanish or Israeli.

[Pukin Dog]

It has to be dealt with in the context of other issues occurring concurrently.

My ENTIRE point in a nutshell.

[Patriot from Philly]

Thanks. I don't listen to Laura much because she's on at 10 - 12 and I'm at work. I can listen to Rush a little during lunch on my walks.

I remember her saying that everything had started to go well for her, she had met a great guy, she was happy and then she was diagnosed with cancer.

If this is the guy, he sounds like a creep. He's a better fit with the perky one. Laura deserves much better.

[MNJohnnie]

#811 "The war on terror is a giant chess game, and there are things we don't know. Disclaimer: I am simply postulating without having any real knowledge"


Brilliant Insight. There are other aspects involved. What happens if the hard Chavez style Castro loving opposition takes Mexico in an election? That is something the President has to cosider and we Freepers can blissly ignore

[rodguy911]

Interesting stuff here EC, don't ask me why but I was going over a list of cfr members the other day and it is loaded with N.Eastern libs, rats and a few Rinos.
scary stuff there.