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Perhaps the pro-abortion slime would care to repeat the mantra that unborn babies are just unviable masses of tissue. In light of this evidence, it will make them look more like scum than they already do.

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1 posted on 04/05/2006 1:20:58 AM PDT by MadIvan
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Ping!


2 posted on 04/05/2006 1:21:53 AM PDT by MadIvan (Ya hya chouhada! Dune fans, visit - http://www.thesietch.com/)
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One of the bafflingest questions that medical science faces, is who is in pain and who is faking it. If they can solve this question for the neonate, then they can solve it for the 55 year old who says his back is in agony but the doctor is afraid of losing his license for prescribing too much Vicodin. A twofer.


3 posted on 04/05/2006 1:23:09 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: MadIvan

oops, neonate should be preborn


4 posted on 04/05/2006 1:23:38 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: MadIvan

Does this mean an abortionist should give the fetus morphine before sucking its brain out?

Any person be he called Doctor or Monster who intentionally kills a full term baby is guilty of murder IMO.


5 posted on 04/05/2006 3:37:26 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: MadIvan
Perhaps the pro-abortion slime would care to repeat the mantra that unborn babies are just unviable masses of tissue.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this study specifically on viable subjects? It's not going to dissuade the pre-third trimester abortion crowd, but it does shine a bad light on the partial-birth-abortion and infant-genital-mutilation crowds.

7 posted on 04/05/2006 5:18:54 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: MadIvan

The most amazing thing to me is that they had to spend money to study this at ALL! Human beings feel pain, premature babies are human beings, therefore, they feel pain. DUUH!


8 posted on 04/05/2006 5:34:15 AM PDT by SuziQ
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12 posted on 04/05/2006 7:13:13 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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Call your representatives and ask them to support the Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act (H.R. 356).


13 posted on 04/05/2006 7:26:07 AM PDT by Former Fetus (fetuses are 100% pro-life, they just don't vote yet!)
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SWEET BABY BTTT!
15 posted on 04/05/2006 8:24:11 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: MadIvan

Thanks for posting this, Ivan!


20 posted on 04/05/2006 9:56:19 AM PDT by syriacus (Millions of lives might have been saved if FDR had pre-emptively deposed Hitler in 1936.)
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21 posted on 04/05/2006 10:14:06 AM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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FETAL PAIN:

Introduction: The fetus at 20 weeks gestation "is fully capable of experiencing pain. … Without question, all of this is a dreadfully painful experience for any infant subjected to such a surgical procedure." — Robert J. White, M.D., PhD., professor of neurosurgery at Case Western University, Cleveland, Ohio, in testimony before the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Committee on the Judiciary, U.S. House of Representatives, March 21, 1996

"Ultrasonographic findings report specific fetal movements in response to needle punctures in utero. When neonates are born prematurely at 23 weeks gestation, they demonstrate highly specific and well-coordinated physiologic and behavioral responses to pain … validating outside the uterus what they were capable of manifesting inside the uterus." — Jean A. Wright, M.D., M.B.A., Clinical Associate Professor of Pediatrics, Emory School of Medicine, White Paper: Advances in the Understanding of Fetal Pain, Christian Medical Association




In connection to the scientific fact that life begins at conception, science also proves beyond a doubt that the pre-born child experiences pain at 20 weeks, and at earlier ages as well at differing levels of perception.

This fact was brought out in open US federal court proceedings in 2004. Horrific testimony was entered into the official record each day in three separate federal District Court cases, each filed to stop the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003.

Dr. Kanwaljeet Anand, an Oxford and Harvard trained neonatal pediatrician and pain expert testified at the New York federal court hearings on April 13, 2004. Below is an excerpt from WORLD Magazine April 24, 2004 issue. The title of the article was Painfully unaware:

Dr. Anand took the stand in the morning and testified for hours that unborn children can feel pain even more vividly than adults or even infants. He said that by 20 weeks fetuses have developed all the nerve and brain functions to feel pain, but none of the coping mechanisms that help infants and adults to deal with the sensation. According to Dr. Anand's research, handling the fetus in the womb, delivering the child up to its head, slicing open its skull and sucking out the brains would all produce "prolonged and excruciating pain to the fetus."

The evidence for fetal pain is not new-Dr. Anand studied expressions of pain in unborn and neonatal children as early as the 1980s-but the legal argument is novel. Unlike previous legislative attempts to ban partial-birth abortion, Congress used a fetal-pain argument to rally support. If a fetus does feel pain as early as 20 weeks into the pregnancy, it bolsters Congress' ethical argument for banning the procedure. And in the courtroom it humanizes the unborn child in a way that the pro-life legal community has never been able to do.
http://www.worldmag.com/displayarticle.cfm?id=8807

The pro-abortion side attempts to lessen the horror of the reality of murdering children in the womb and the terrible pain that these babies endure while being aborted by claiming that late term abortions are rare. But that outright lie is exposed many times over, from around the world.

As reported by The Washington Times, on April 7, 2004, Dr. Anand also testified in federal district court in Lincoln, Nebraska in the suit there to stop the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003. Dr. Anand testified that: "I believe the fetus is conscious," and that the pain during this procedure is "severe and excruciating" to 20-week-old pre-born children.

Under cross-examination, Dr. Anand said he believes a less-controversial abortion procedure, known as "dilation and evacuation" (D&E), would cause the same amount of pain to a child. An estimated 140,000 D&Es, the most common method of second-trimester abortion, take place in the United States annually. http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20040406-111818-1409r

Below are excerpts from Fr. Frank Pavone’s August 15, 2005 newsletter:

In 1994, an article in the prestigious British medical journal, the Lancet, revealed hormonal stress reactions in the fetus. The article concluded with the recommendation that painkillers be used when surgery is done on the fetus. The authors wrote, "This applies not just to diagnostic and therapeutic procedures on the fetus, but possibly also to termination of pregnancy, especially by surgical techniques involving dismemberment."

In 1991, scientific advisors to the Federal Medical Council in Germany had made a
similar recommendation.

In August 2001, Great Britain's Medical Research Council concluded that pain perception may be as early as 20 weeks; other studies place it as early as 10 weeks.

It should be noted that each year in the United States alone, over 18,000 abortions take place at 21 or more weeks of pregnancy.

The Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act has now been introduced in Congress, to inform women having abortions at 20 weeks or more that their baby may feel pain. The legislation deserves our support. It would require that the mother be given the option to provide painkillers to her baby. This is not to justify abortion, but will certainly make many think twice about it. http://www.priestsforlife.org/columns/columns2005/05-08-15unbornpain.htm

Fetal Pain: Unborn babies suffer pain while they are being killed by abortion.

That is the startling conclusion of doctors and researchers, whose recent discoveries reveal the previously unknown sensory capacities of unborn children.

Until recently, most neonatalogists believed that babies in the womb were mostly immune to feeling pain. With the advent of sonograms and live-action ultrasound images, doctors and nurses began to see unborn babies at 20 weeks gestation react physically to outside stimuli such as sound, light and touch.

The sense of touch is so acute that even a single human hair drawn across an unborn child's palm causes the baby to make a fist.

More recently, surgeons entering the womb to perform corrective procedures on tiny unborn children have found that those babies will flinch, jerk and recoil from sharp objects and incisions. "In instances when a fetal bladder is obstructed and we need to go in and puncture it to drain the bladder, the unborn baby will pull away," explains Dr. Steven Calvin, a practicing perinatologist and chair of the Program in Human Rights in Medicine at the University of Minnesota, where he also teaches obstetrics. "The neural pathways are present for pain to be experienced quite early by unborn babies."

The pain is agonizing

Since medical researchers now widely agree that unborn babies at 20 to 24 weeks gestation experience pain during prenatal surgery, they most certainly feel pain during abortion.

The obvious and horrifying conclusion is that millions of aborted unborn children have silently suffered greatly in their final minutes of life.

The most common methods used to abort unborn babies at 20 weeks gestation or more involve sharp-edged instruments to cut, tear and twist the baby's body into pieces, which are extracted from the womb. In a partial-birth abortion, the unborn baby is delivered feet first, except for the head, which is punctured at the base of the skull with a sharp object. The brains are then suctioned out, killing the child.

Abortion lies revealed
For decades, abortionists and abortion advocates have tried to convince people that physical suffering for unborn children during abortion is a myth.

Abortion became legal in the United States before sonograms became prevalent or photos of human life in the womb were readily accessible. Abortion became legal before researchers had taken time to study the issue of fetal pain. However, mounting new scientific evidence is removing any doubt that unborn children do, indeed, feel intense pain. Once again, the abortion industry's lies to the public have been uncovered.

Unborn babies have heightened sensitivities

According to Dr. Paul Ranalli, neurologist at the University of Toronto, unborn babies between 20 and 30 weeks development may actually feel pain more intensely than adults. He says this is a "uniquely vulnerable time, since the pain system is fully established; yet the higher-level pain-modifying system has barely begun to develop."

Given the medical evidence that unborn babies experience pain, compassionate people are viewing abortion more and more as an inhumane and intolerable brutality against defenseless human beings. http://www.mccl.org/fp_news/fetal_pain.htm


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22 posted on 04/05/2006 10:18:51 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: MadIvan

Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the womb I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.


23 posted on 04/05/2006 10:56:33 AM PDT by beansox
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To: MadIvan
These people are monsters for thinking that a living human being would NOT feel pain. That they had to do a stupid brain scan to figure that out.
25 posted on 04/05/2006 1:12:58 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (I hate this pornographic world we're living in.)
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To: MadIvan
Premature babies experience real pain rather than just displaying reflex reactions, scientists said yesterday.

Judges are ruling that it's unconstitutional to execute prisoners sentenced to death if it's too painful.

They better get busy and rule the same here!

32 posted on 04/25/2006 12:23:07 PM PDT by RJL
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To: MadIvan
I used to work in a NICU....

Trust me...25 week old babies feel pain.

34 posted on 04/25/2006 5:16:55 PM PDT by Osage Orange (molon labe)
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