Posted on 03/31/2006 7:41:57 PM PST by Ladycalif
Great Rally, Too Tired to write much more.
Josh
Do all Mexicans get fat?
Or the dirt bags in, ‘Reconquista’—Mexico’s Dream of ‘Retaking’ the Southwest.
I have some friends who are of Mexican heritage, they don't even speak Spanish as a second language, nor their children or grand children, and they are all hopping mad about what the the illegals are doing.
"Do all Mexicans get fat?"
No need for that sort of stuff.
>>>>"I have some friends who are of Mexican heritage, they don't even speak Spanish as a second language, nor their children or grand children, and they are all hopping mad about what the the illegals are doing"<<<<
I'm hopping mad, especially at our educators who think the only down side of this is the shortage of body count at school when these kid skip school to protest.
I think we should have buses lined up with a seat for each and everyone one of them, one way... to southern the border.
Every Citizen of the USA has the right of Free Speech, these kids should not have any bitches about giving them what they want (Free passage out of the Country that they dislike so much)
TT
gringo
Got one in a size 10???
Islam, a Religion of Peace®? ( links, blogs, quips, quotes, aggravating pictures ) is located here- click the Pic, and scroll backwards:
"Thunder on the Border," click the picture:
( PS- my personal prediction? That picture will become one of the most widely distributed, and most hated, pictures on the internet. The Illegal lobby could not have done more damage to themselves with that "Mexican Flag Superior, America in Distress" photgraph if they had tried... )
Do you have a propensity for doing this to other posters on this forum, too? I imagine you probably do but no one has ever posted them before for everyone to see. I firmly believe that what a person says in public is not necessarily an indication of their character. It’s what they do when they think no one is looking that is the measure of a man. Could you be just a little mad that I posted the first one you sent to me for everyone to see?
Do you norrmally tell people to go F themselves and then claim you are just trying to be polite? You tried, unsuccessfully, to claim you sent me the first offending freepmail because I probably wouldn’t want to air MY dirty laundry. Am I supposed to be embarrassed by your freepmail? You should try to apply some logic and realize that you were the sender not me and it was too childish not to share.
From reading through your posts here at FR, I couldn't help but notice that you have a habit of personally attacking people who don’t agree with you or call you out on your posts. Personal attacks are SOP for liberals to compensate for lack of a valid argument. You have stated that you were a liberal for forty years which leads me to believe that there is truth in the adage that old habits never die.
You have also posted on another thread that you hire day laborers and pay them in cash. You said:
“Temporary day labor is a cash 1 or 2 day deal, I don't even ask for ID, if they can heft a shovel and a wheelbarrow is all I'm interested in”.
Looks like you just might be part of the problem. I did find it quite amusing that when other posters asked if the day labors you hired were illegals you conjured up the following:
“Day workers are just that, the local employment office has a pool, many are homeless, many are alcoholics or addicts, many are mentally ill, and some are probably illegal aliens”Now that certainly sounds like a group of people lining up for jobs at the local employment office, doesn’t it? Well, maybe the illegal aliens but not the remainder of the group.
Your MO seems to be to demand apologies (again another liberal SOP) from people on this forum. Demand away, please. I could use a good laugh and I find you a source of amusement. You claim to have been in the military for 28 years but how did you ever make it through all those years with such a thin skin?
What is the supposed "upside" to the massive illegal immigration which has occurred the past 25 years?
The Hispanic lobby is greater now than it was then. Hispanics are surpassing blacks as the most populated minority in the U.S. Just as they pandered to the black vote they are now pandering to the Hispanic vote. It's all about elected officials keeping their precious offices not about middle America. They could care less about us anymore and WE were the ones who built this nation.
You hear it in the old movies......
the derisive term referring to Americans in Mexico.
This isn't directed at you, but I have little patience with people who wish to front for illegal immigrants. As you state, we are a nation of laws. It really bothers me when people come to a conservative forum and use every thirteen year olds excuse in the book for not minding our nation's laws. But dad.... sorry kid you know what the rules are.
Thanks for the long response. I appreciate it. I'll address some of the issues you raised.
Don't ask, don't tell was a good example of Clinton's moral decay. It was a sad commentary on those bought into the policy as well. I agree with your assessment.
Catch and release is such a waste of time, you have to ask yourself why bother paying people to 'catch' at all?
No, in the 1980s the government didn't follow through. Now there are calls for all sorts of walls. Despite the fact that Israel's wall is going to be 400 miles long (believe it or not, I was amazed to hear this on Medvid's show), some of our leaders are carping about a 700 mile wall on our border, "too costly". Then some of them want a "virtual wall". I'll tell you about a wall, I thinking the "handwriting is already on it", and this looks to be going nowhere if we're not careful.
We stand a very real chance of legitimizing upwards of 20 million people in our nation. About eight to fourteen years later, they'll become citizens and bring extended family members over. This will cause an absolute explosion of recent Mexican citizens in our nation. If each of them only brought over one extended family member, that would be twenty million more. Do you know any families that only have one extended family member? No, we're talking about multiple people for each of the twenty million we sweep under the carpet today. How does that portend for our future? Frankly it is a very disturbing concept to me.
To be clear, it sounds as if we both desire closed borders. When I say I'm not going to sucker for that once again, I'm referring to this concept. If we allow the twenty million to be legitimized and sucker for the empty promise of closing the border, when we know they won't, we're signing on to a plan to sink this nation. I will NOT sucker for that ever again. I want people returned to their nation of origin. I want a wall. I want our government to prove that it has to will to enforce our borders. Then and only then will I sign on to some limited seasonal work program. IMO, there is not a full-time job in this nation that U.S. Citizens will not do. If farm work that is seasonal requires some temporary labor, I can live with it. I'm not going to surrender the housing trades and other jobs that used to support U.S. Citizen families to illegal aliens.
When I address employers and their employment of illegal aliens, I recognize that there must be some way to hold them accountable. I don't want ICE swooping down on some business and detaining illegal immigrants, then fining the business for hiring them, when the business was not aware they were. There simply MUST be some mechanism that insures that business know whether their prospective employees are legal or not. Otherwise we'll have business employing them from here on out, and pleading that they just didn't know. I can't accept that under a new plan. The employment of illegal immigrants must end. That will require some changes.
Consider this. You review four new prospective employees. As part of the process they provide their SS Numbers to your personnel department. A clerk in that department signs into an internet sight and punches in the numbers. The first one pops up...
555 55 5555 Miller Rochester New York.
Then second one pops up...
555 55 5556 Invalid
The third one pops up...
555 55 5557 Deceased
The fourth one pops up...
555 55 5558 Dominguez Your City Your State
This would take about five minutes. Which one would be an eligible employee? The first three would be invalid. The fourth would be hirable. This wouldn't end the process, but it would be an excellent start. It would allow you as an employer to document the process you went through to validate your prospective employee. It would in effect absolve you from a later determination that the fourth guy was in fact using a community SS Number, something a second tier 'new hire' process executed by the INS would detect.
As alluded to in the above paragraph, the INS would review all new hires. Duplicate use SS Numbers would be detected and investigated. Once a person had been reviewed, their file would become dormant for the IRS. The person would have passed review.
I'm not a big fan of you doing the government's work. I do think businesses have a responsibility to attempt to week out illegal alien applicants. In this manner, you could comply without a major impact on your staff.
You mention that the government screws up all the time. Okay, let's say they do. What other process could you envision that would still hold the employer responsible? Without this type of a check system, it would seem the employer would continue to be unaccountable for hiring illegal aliens. I think that is a policy that must end. Perhaps you have a better plan for employer involvement. If so I'd like to hear it. It must meet three criteria. It must involve the business doing due diligence. It must prevent the illegal alien from gaining employment. It must protect the employer from the charge that they didn't take precautions to prevent the hiring of an illegal immigrant.
I have no problem with law enforcement involvement when they turn over illegal immigrants in the execution of their jobs. It's beyond my comprehension why a law enforcement officer would be instructed not to apprehend a person breaking our nation's laws. I realize that illegal border crossings only constitute a misdemeanor these days, but they are people who are in our nation illegally. They should be taken into custody, turned over to ICE and deported.
I'm not a big fan of the seat belt laws. They're tantamount to a "look both ways or else" law. They're an example of a nanny state law that does nothing more than instill contempt for government.
As for a need to do away with the INS, I'm with you. There has to be a better way.
D1
And that's why I ripped Tony Snow's commentary to shreds. I can't believe the guy is that out of touch on this subject.
I sincerely like Tony, but on this issue he's completely out to lunch.
Thanks for those numbers.
I was told that it is only for covered persons and that means permanent residents and a few other few catagories such as one citizen parent and the Cuban policy.. Am I misinformed??
these people look a lttle old to be in highschool
You sound like a leftist.
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