Posted on 03/31/2006 12:13:03 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
Princeton University sociologist Douglas S. Massey reports that 62 percent of illegal immigrants pay income taxes (via withholding) and 66 percent contribute to Social Security. Forbes magazine notes that Mexican illegals aren't clogging up the social-services system: only 5 percent receive food stamps or unemployment assistance; 10 percent send kids to public schools.
Economist Larry Kudlow praises Hispanic entrepreneurship: "According to 2002 Census Bureau data, Hispanics are opening businesses at a rate three times faster than the national average. In addition, there were almost 1.6 million Hispanic-owned businesses generating $222 billion in revenue in 2002."
Total crime and property crime in California are half what they were in 1980; violent crime has fallen more than a third. The state's Hispanic population during that time has increased 120 percent.
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You do recognize that this is a circular argument?
By who, Dane? You? You've officially hit a new all-time low in your rationalizations.
"This country lacks the inner strength to carry on the war on terror"
Actually, it does not. Well over half approve of the mission, and the way it is being conducted.
So, you two... When all rationalizations fail, the truth comes to light, and the liberals are shown for their spots.
In any event. No real reason to tie any 'guest-worker' amnesty to HR 4437. Let them remain here illegal, if they like. They'll eventually be deported or defunded to the point that most leave voluntarily. No cattle cars necessary. We could buy them a first-class ticket to Mexico City for less than they cost us in entitlements over a single year.
Nonsense. If I offer him wages that are too low, he'll simply go somewhere else. It is a two-way street. What's "fair" is what the employee and employee agree to do. It's called the law of supply and demand.
It is if they are hiring people who are in this nation illegally.
No it isn't. This arrangement isn't causing me any harm. If anything, I am benefitting from it.
Where, Mexico? LOL!
Illegals break the local prevailing wage everywhere they go, and that's the central fact of the matter. You wouldn't hire these guys if they weren't hiring out to you cheap.
But if fifteen of them started businesses in direct competition with you, and suddenly your top line went to hell, you'd be screaming bloody murder about "gypsies" and "fly-by-night contractors/sellers/providers". Try another, your self-interest isn't a basis for public policy.
That "what's good for General Bullmoose" stuff won't fly on immigration. We're talking about the future of the country.
Quite a few. In fact, quite a few begin with an undocumented pharmacy, an undocumented travel agency, or undocumented temp agency.
The Victorian commissions that found abuses in the coal pits of England -- malformed children working 18" high seams, whole families coming to the pits to work before dawn and going home after dark, starvation wages, zero safety -- disagreed with you 175 years ago, and civilized society as a whole continues to disagree with you as you continue to try to play your "iron hand" stuff with people who have few choices and, absent a strong labor organization, are subject to your manipulation and short-changing, which are based in your ability to play workers off against each other in an unbalanced buyer's market in labor.
Tell me another.
This-guy-is-part-of-the-problem bump.
Wonder if we ought to come to his help when his neighborhood is surrounded by a sea of screaming furriners hanging Americans and setting them on fire, and chanting "Revuelta! Revuelta! Mate los todos!"
I wonder whether it's more a circular argument -- circulus in probando -- or a tautology: "Brown cows are always brown, because they're brown!"
Either way, I think we both recognize that his argument sucks wind.
Hey Cowboy, I have a tendency to back what I say with data...how about you?
"Bush has retained a base of support for his handling of the broader war on terror, as 46% said he is doing a good job, down just one percent since October. His management of the war on terror had been a consistently bright spot for the President since the aftermath of the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, before dipping below 50% last year." -- Zogby, January 15, 2006One hundred percent of this nation watched the towers fall on September 11, 2001...less than five years later, less than fifty percent of those people approve of the "way the mission is being conducted."
"Bush has retained a base of support for his handling of the broader war on terror, as 46% said he is doing a good job, down just one percent since October"
My mistake. I thought I recalled a poll conducted this year listing support for WoT as still in the high 50's.
The professor states that 66% of the illegals pay SS taxes? They need a SS# to do that, do they not?
"We'd have fewer horses if we called them cows."
Gee, another personal attack. I'm not surprised.
I can't speak for Travis, but I am not. You don't need to be one to see that the CFR is not an organization beneficial to Americans.
Sinkspur is a member of NAMBLA? Not odd.
They bought all that stuff here, does that make US communists too?
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