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To: lentulusgracchus
Yeah, there we go. You are an employer, and your "freedom" actually means the freedom to impose Hobson's choice on your employees. It means your freedom to hire and fire and change their wages up or down at will, to get his work for next-to-nothing and call it a square deal.

Nonsense. If I offer him wages that are too low, he'll simply go somewhere else. It is a two-way street. What's "fair" is what the employee and employee agree to do. It's called the law of supply and demand.

623 posted on 04/01/2006 5:24:14 PM PST by kesg
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To: kesg
Nonsense. If I offer him wages that are too low, he'll simply go somewhere else.

Where, Mexico? LOL!

Illegals break the local prevailing wage everywhere they go, and that's the central fact of the matter. You wouldn't hire these guys if they weren't hiring out to you cheap.

But if fifteen of them started businesses in direct competition with you, and suddenly your top line went to hell, you'd be screaming bloody murder about "gypsies" and "fly-by-night contractors/sellers/providers". Try another, your self-interest isn't a basis for public policy.

That "what's good for General Bullmoose" stuff won't fly on immigration. We're talking about the future of the country.

626 posted on 04/01/2006 5:46:06 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: kesg
What's "fair" is what the employee and employee agree to do. It's called the law of supply and demand.

The Victorian commissions that found abuses in the coal pits of England -- malformed children working 18" high seams, whole families coming to the pits to work before dawn and going home after dark, starvation wages, zero safety -- disagreed with you 175 years ago, and civilized society as a whole continues to disagree with you as you continue to try to play your "iron hand" stuff with people who have few choices and, absent a strong labor organization, are subject to your manipulation and short-changing, which are based in your ability to play workers off against each other in an unbalanced buyer's market in labor.

Tell me another.

628 posted on 04/01/2006 6:43:50 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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