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A Mysterious Death at The Hague
The Chronicles Magazine ^ | 24 Mar 2006 | Srdja Trifkovic

Posted on 03/27/2006 5:00:44 AM PST by A. Pole

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To: FormerLib

"Can you refute any of the facts,such as his letter to Moscow ...."

No. I wouldn't tend to believe much in a letter Milosevic wrote, any more than I'd believe a letter Kim Jung-il wrote himself, if he were in similar circumstances.


41 posted on 03/27/2006 8:40:34 AM PST by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: nuconvert

Not even when the fact prove he was correct?


42 posted on 03/27/2006 8:56:09 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib

How do you know what the facts are?


43 posted on 03/27/2006 8:58:09 AM PST by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: nuconvert

The presence of the drug was confirmed during the autopsy, I think that qualifies as a fact.

That Milosevic wrote to the Russians about the presence of this drug in his system is certainly a fact that can be verified. We have someone asserting that it is true and no one denying it.

And how do you know what the fact are?


44 posted on 03/27/2006 9:11:47 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib

I don't. I said the report was biased due to statements the writer included himself, as others here have also observed.


45 posted on 03/27/2006 9:22:58 AM PST by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: nuconvert

Would you say the statement "...we're glad Milosevic is gone. I don't really care how it happened." reveals a bit of a bias as well?


46 posted on 03/27/2006 9:27:35 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib

It certainly does.
And if I were to write a report on his death, you should be suspicious of my presented "facts" too


47 posted on 03/27/2006 9:31:30 AM PST by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: nuconvert
Ok, so you are an admittedly-biased reader alleging that you've detected bias in the writings of another and you cannot cite any facts but only raise unfounded challenges to the facts presented.

Right, got it!

Sort of makes a discussion of the facts a useless exercise in this case.
48 posted on 03/27/2006 9:39:05 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: nuconvert
As for him coming across "sincere, truthful and more likable" that's what people say about Bill Clinton.

That's not what I say about Clinton, it's what the MSM says.

You should know the MSM is anti a constitutional America and on the wrong side all the time to that end. Like Rush is fond of saying, they only print what advances the 'action' line. In this case it was/is to eulogize the Clintons and demonize Milosevic.

49 posted on 03/27/2006 10:02:10 AM PST by duckln
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To: FormerLib

Actually, I'm a "biased reader, who detected bias in the writings of another" who is glad that Milosevic is dead whether it was suicide, an accident or murder.
That was my original sentiment and I'm sticking to it.


50 posted on 03/27/2006 10:15:53 AM PST by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: nuconvert

So it's OK for others to murder people that you don't like, is that correct?


51 posted on 03/27/2006 10:20:24 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: duckln

It isn't just what the msm says. I've heard a number of people from republican politicians to radio hosts to ordinary 'Joe's' say that about Clinton. I think the general consensus is that he comes off as a really nice, likeable guy when you meet him in person. There's a reason he's such a successful flim-flam man.

I am NO fan of the msm, believe me.


52 posted on 03/27/2006 10:22:27 AM PST by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: FormerLib

No. I don't think Milosevic comes under the heading of just a person I don't like.
Now, would I mind if someone killed Castro? Nope. Or killed Kim Jung-il? Nope. Or killed Mugabe? Nope. Or killed Ali Kahmenei? Nope.
Would you mind?


53 posted on 03/27/2006 10:28:18 AM PST by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: nuconvert
That's why I was interested in reading this article, hoping for an unbiased report.

Come on, you wanted your bias to be confirmed.

54 posted on 03/27/2006 10:39:27 AM PST by A. Pole (George Orwell: "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.")
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To: Red6
My point was that the Author was a Serb and had an angle. His article was written from the viewpoint that genocide never happened

Are you saying that you must be a Muslim or a Croat or have origin from the one of NATO countries which attacked Serbia to be considered objective?

OK, so you claim that the genocide took place in Bosnia or Kosovo? Where and when?

55 posted on 03/27/2006 10:43:23 AM PST by A. Pole (George Orwell: "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.")
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To: nuconvert
No. I wouldn't tend to believe much in a letter Milosevic wrote

It was reported that Milosevic was stating such complaints BEFORE he died. You did not pay attention or you have short memory.

You are extremely biased. I am wonder if you are blind to it, or if you are disingenuous.

56 posted on 03/27/2006 10:59:42 AM PST by A. Pole (George Orwell: "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.")
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To: FormerLib; nuconvert
Would you say the statement "...we're glad Milosevic is gone. I don't really care how it happened." reveals a bit of a bias as well?

Good catch! "we're glad Milosevic is gone" - very unbiased indeed /SARCASM

57 posted on 03/27/2006 11:03:23 AM PST by A. Pole (George Orwell: "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.")
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To: nuconvert

I will use it as a tagline


58 posted on 03/27/2006 11:04:25 AM PST by A. Pole (nuconvert: "...we're glad Milosevic is gone. I don't really care how it happened.")
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To: A. Pole

You can argue anything. You can take any argument to absurdity and then try to make some ignorant point with that.

There are people who deny that the Holocaust ever happened. You fall into the same class with them. Ridiculous and pathetic.

There are “credible” sources unlike hearsay bullshit sources like all those Serb sites stating that F-15’s, a possible B2, dozens of Vipers and and and were shot down. You have “transparency”. You had AWACS recording the flights with international crews, you have international crews flying the missions. There are HUD tapes that show enemy being hit. The number of US planes is not even classified and public record, even inspected by Russia in accordance to treaty’s limiting the numbers of certain weapon systems we are allowed to have……… But, Vladimir tells me NATO and ALLLLLLLLL the public NATO disclosures on our planes shot down is wrong. I should believe him right? BS.

You had thousands of refugees fleeing the region (250,000 just in Germany – obviously they were all lying!). You have REAL found mass graves (Must have been planted by the CIA or NSA?). You have international troops from the Netherlands, Germany, Italy, France, US……. make finds and independently make public statements reference Serb atrocities (They are all colluding?). But, Vladimir is whom I should believe, right?. Yea- tell it to someone else.

You have right about now ZERO credibility.


59 posted on 03/27/2006 11:43:18 AM PST by Red6
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To: Red6
They did shoot down the stealth fighter, there were a lot of "training accidents" which occurred during the Balkans wars. Other countries admitted to losing planes over Yugoslavia too.

Many refugees simply left a war zone during a civil war with separatists/ethnic factions - some which were supported by the west.

Don't forget the Mujahadeen running around cutting off Serbs' and even Croats' heads.

The mass graves are often claimed to be Muslim, but identities and autopsies are never presented - not even in court.

The graves are found where Muslims were known to attack Serb villages. So, the media comes up with stories about Serbs reburying and moving the graves to distant places when they can't find any within Srebrenica.

They go to 60 miles away - into Serb villages - and claim those are Muslims from Srebrenica. Most of the bodies aren't even identified after 10 years. They aren't matching the Muslims.

The Muslims lost some men during the battles and try to claim they were POWs, but the autopsy records aren't made accessible which would help distinguish between battle deaths, mine accidents, versus POW-type close range shootings.

60 posted on 03/27/2006 12:03:10 PM PST by joan
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