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Germans are brainiest - but at least we're smarter than the French (London Times)
TIMES Online ^ | March 27, 2006 | Helen Nugent

Posted on 03/27/2006 1:35:38 AM PST by wolf78

BRITAIN and France have experienced long periods of conflict and rivalry but now victory in one area can be claimed: Britons are more intelligent than the French.

A new European league of IQ scores has ranked the British in eighth place, well above the French, who were 19th. According to Richard Lynn of the University of Ulster, Britons have an average IQ of 100. The French scored 94. But it is not all good news. Top of the table were the Germans, with an IQ of 107. The British were also beaten by the Netherlands, Poland, Sweden, Italy, Austria and Switzerland.

Professor Lynn, who caused controversy last year by claiming that men were more intelligent than women by about five IQ points on average, said that populations in the colder, more challenging environments of Northern Europe had developed larger brains than those in warmer climates further south. The average brain size in Northern and Central Europe is 1,320cc and in southeast Europe it is 1,312cc. “The early human beings in northerly areas had to survive during cold winters when there were no plant foods and they were forced to hunt big game,” he said. “The main environmental influence on IQ is diet, and people in southeast Europe would have had less of the proteins, minerals and vitamins provided by meat which are essential for brain development.”

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


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To: Pro-Bush

Pick your poison.


101 posted on 03/28/2006 12:12:35 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: wardaddy; CatoRenasci
Take my word for it that intelligence as well as all other personality traits are inherited at least to some degree.

I agree. Of course what you do with what you have that really counts. All other things being equal, however, some people are just born with more talent.

102 posted on 03/28/2006 12:17:42 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (God is such a good idea that if He didn't exist we would have to invent Him)
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To: NZerFromHK
Being jealous of success is wrong. My tip would be for those who are fortunate to be around successful people is to learn as much as they can from them and use what has been learned to get ahead themselves.
103 posted on 03/28/2006 12:20:35 AM PST by Pro-Bush (One sees great things from the valley, only small things from the peak.)
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To: NZerFromHK

In my opinion, it is most important that each of us tries to do better today than we did yesterday. We should best compete with ouselves, and vanity is our worst impediment.


104 posted on 03/28/2006 3:39:47 AM PST by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: NZerFromHK
"Imagine a situation: a rich man comes to his poor neighbor and starts talking about his wealth: how many limousines he has, how many yachts etc. And it's not empty bragging - he's really rich. Is it an example of arrogance? I don't know. My English is not so good, there may be another term for that. It may be sensitivity gap or something else. Any suggestions?"

Some foreigners use this as an excuse to justify anti-Americanism - I'm not saying that Alex-DV does so, just that he is reporting what some think. As Americans, do you think this excuse of anti-Americanism is justified and why or why not?

Surely, there are people from any nation who, when abroad or when you visit their country, brag incessantly about how their country and its ways of doing things are far superior to yours and everyone elses. We Americans are not immune to this.

As I read this, I thought of too things: First, Americans worrying over this for years, as evidenced by such books as The Ugly American (circa 1960); and secondly, all of the Europeans whom I've met who have smuggly carried on about the superiority of their social systems, moral rectitude, and general level of culture, while at the same time skimping on their own national defense and relying on a massive American military presence (which they bitch about) and expenditures to defend them from the threat of the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Sometimes the American bragadoccio is simply repayment in kind.

That said, I don't find international exchanges on the my dog's better than your dog model particularly fruitful on either side of the exchange.

To the extent that Americans talk about what our system does make available, and suggest that those opportunities could be open to any country who instituted a similarly free economic and political system, I don't consider that bragging, assuming it's done as a factual. There will be those who resent our success, and little can be done about it. We ought to be sensitive to how we come across, however.

105 posted on 03/28/2006 3:42:44 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: NZerFromHK
...or when I state Confucian practice of honouring your parents is superior to typically Western ways,

How so? I am sincerely interested in your answer.
And though it does not negate your statement in any way, God spoke on honoring one's parents, (see Commandment 5), long before Confucius.

106 posted on 03/28/2006 7:30:52 AM PST by jla
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To: Troublemaker

First of all: The topic was meant to be "tongue firmly in cheek".

As to David Hasselhoff: He had 1 - I repeat: ONE big hit in Germany around 1990. That was "I've been looking for freedom". A stupid song, indeed, but the lines "I've been looking for freedom, i've been looking so long..." resonated with the German public at the time of reunification.

After that, Hasselhoff was - deservedly - forgotten over here, just the same as in the US. Or to use a quote I read somewhere:

"The only person who thinks that David Hasselhoff is a big star in Germany is Hasselhoff himself."

On the other hand: His cameo in "Dodgeball" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364725/) was hilarious.


107 posted on 03/28/2006 11:49:54 AM PST by wolf78
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To: jla

I'm actually referring to some Christians in name only Westerners in honouring (or lacking thereof) their parents. If you talk to most Chinese, whether Christians or not, they will use a portion of their salaries to support theit parents (typically give 10% to 1/3 of what they earn to their folks). In Chinese beliefs, this is the bare minimum requirement to honour your parents, while if you make it to respect your parents in addition to financially support them it would be best way to honour them. (In many cases for married couples, they will support both sets of parents).

In fact the Bible covers it (Mark 7:9-13) but few Western Gentile Christians mention financially supporting your parents in order to honour them as something we should do.


108 posted on 03/28/2006 12:52:04 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: CatoRenasci; familyop; Pro-Bush; Michael81Dus; Alex-DV

Thanks for the responses so far CR. familyop and pro-Bush. I think largely along such lines as well. I'm pinging this to two who voiced this in the first place to see if they have any responses to your takes.

Ping! Michael and Alex-DV, have a look at posts 103 to 105. It is American FRers' responses to your points.


109 posted on 03/28/2006 1:00:19 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: wardaddy

In the Apocalypse, you will need a combination of brawn, common sense, intellect, and marsmanship to come out on top. The thuggery cannot stop an armed man with intellect, organizational skills, and good aim. ;-)


110 posted on 03/28/2006 1:17:57 PM PST by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: wolf78
First of all: The topic was meant to be "tongue firmly in cheek

as was mine :o).

111 posted on 03/28/2006 3:03:11 PM PST by Troublemaker
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To: perez24

I you have to ask, you may be French.


112 posted on 03/28/2006 8:16:56 PM PST by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: Michael81Dus
You are right on it. Some Americans have so much patriotism that it clouds their minds and make them think in a non objective way. I have been to the US and lived there for 4 years. I can say for a fact that unless you are in the top bracket it is no reason for an average North European to emigrate. I have not yet seen a middle class house in the States that matches a middle class house in Norway when it comes to quality. On the other hand if you are aiming at being a billionaire the states is a perfect place to emigrate. I am personally not that impressed by the material standard, but I am impressed by the American people. They are usually very nice , helpful, outgoing and generous.
113 posted on 03/28/2006 8:52:40 PM PST by tomjohn77
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To: tomjohn77

Yep, I´m always saddened when I come to the departure gates for my flight back to Europe - during your stay you saw almost everywhere smiling and friendly people, and while you´re waiting to enter the plane, you can easily identify (from the faces, not only from the sox to the sandals) who´s German/European and who´s an American passenger. Really sad!


114 posted on 03/28/2006 11:09:25 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: tomjohn77
It is undoubtedly true that middle class houses in Norway are better built than is typical in the US. However, given our weather in most places there is no need to spend the additional money to build in such a manner. There is no question that construction costs substantially more in Norway, or that housing is substantially more expensive. My wife is Norwegian, and I have seen Norwegian society literally from the farms and coasts to the academic world, the world of Oslo shipping magnates, and the extended royal family. I like Norway because it's pretty, but I must say that as friendly and decent as the Norwegians are among family, they are without doubt among the most eng people I have ever met. If Americans can be accused of being ueberheblich (a trait by the way which I think is probably generally considered German - at least in the sense of the word meaning "overbearing"), the Norwegians are smug, convinced (as they sit rich primarily because of oil) that the Norwegian way is not only the best way, but the only sensible way, of doing anything.
115 posted on 03/29/2006 3:31:16 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: wolf78
The day after this findings Richard Lynn said that the London Times numbers were wrong. The right list was like this. Italy and Switzerland 102.5, Netherlands and Iceland 101.5, Belgium 100.33, GB, Norway, Sweden 100, Austria 99.5, Germany 99.33.
The heading of the article stated that we are as smart as the Swedes.
116 posted on 03/29/2006 5:36:22 AM PST by tomjohn77
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To: CatoRenasci

"However, given our weather in most places there is no need to spend the additional money to build in such a manner."

Houses are better built in most parts of Europe than is typical in the US. But that also has to do with our lack of oil and natural gas. Better insulation and thicker walls are simply cheaper over the years than the additional heating costs ;-).


117 posted on 03/29/2006 3:55:39 PM PST by wolf78
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To: globalheater
Given that civilization developed in the Mediterranean region, I am not sure what this means. Just another version of the superiority of the Aryan?
118 posted on 03/29/2006 3:59:55 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: wolf78

I don't disagree that houses are generally better built in Europe, but they are also significantly more expensive compared to income than in the US. If you have the money, you get more in Europe than you do here, but far fewer people can own their own houses. It's a trade-off showing relative priorities.


119 posted on 03/29/2006 5:00:38 PM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: RobbyS

As I said - I'd like to put at least a small pencil questionmark to the methods of defining, testing and in the end interpreting intelligence.

This morning I would definetly lower the average...


120 posted on 03/29/2006 11:15:22 PM PST by globalheater (There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare - Sun Tzu)
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