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House enters 'design' contest
kentucky.com ^
| Mar 27, 2006
| political notebook
Posted on 03/27/2006 1:28:47 AM PST by balch3
FRANKFORT - The subject of intelligent design has persistently popped up since the moment Gov. Ernie Fletcher mentioned it in his State of the Commonwealth address in early January.
Fletcher had encouraged local school boards to include intelligent design -- a concept that says that the origins of life could be best explained as the creation of a supernatural being -- in the local curriculum. Many scientists have objected to that notion, arguing that intelligent design doesn't fit the criteria to be a scientific theory because it cannot be tested.
Most recently, the debate spilled onto the House floor last week when the appointments of three of Fletcher's nominees for the state school board came up for a vote. Rep. Kathy Stein, D-Lexington, told her colleagues that she had quizzed the three nominees about intelligent design during a March 15 education committee hearing. Each one personally favored the addition of intelligent design into each local school district's curriculum, she reported.
"I find that unacceptable in the commonwealth of Kentucky in 2006," Stein said. She then asked House members to vote against the nominations to "send a message that we are not a state that will fall prey to intelligent design, which is nothing more than creationism."
After Stein's remarks, several Eastern Kentucky representatives rose to defend the first nominee, Kaye Baird of Pikeville.
"I never thought I would see the day when people would stand on this House floor and say that because a nominee did not believe in evolution theory (she) should not be confirmed," said Rep. Danny Ford, a Mount Vernon Republican. "This is a sad day in Kentucky. I'm proud of our governor for saying that should be taught in our schools."
Rep. Mary Lou Marzian, D-Louisville, said Kentucky students face the prospect of being left in the dust by better educated youth abroad.
"It belongs in a church," she said, "not a school." Last month, Fletcher also sent a letter to the Kentucky Academy of Science defending his call for school districts to choose to teach intelligent design.
"Although you may question the intelligence of raising this issue, the computer, which is state of the art, and less sophisticated in function than this writer, was built by an intelligent designer," Fletcher wrote in the Feb. 13 letter.
Brett Hall, the governor's communications director, said Fletcher "feels strongly about the issue" but doesn't necessarily believe that intelligent design must be taught in science class. It could be in a theology or social studies course, he said.
The three school board nominees who came up last week echoed Fletcher's position.
"Intelligent design and evolution -- why don't we give students the choice, or let them have facts about both of them," nominee Baird said according to transcripts of the committee meeting. "Don't we want our young people to be open-minded and be thinkers?"
Yes, Marzian said in an interview. But they first must be grounded in what is fact and what is not. Despite the arguments of Stein and Marzian, the House overwhelmingly approved the school board nominees.
TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: crevolist; darwinism; id; intelligentdesign; kentucky
governor Fletcher leading the fight in Kentucky.
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posted on
03/27/2006 1:28:49 AM PST
by
balch3
To: balch3
LOL! I thought this was an architectural thread!
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posted on
03/27/2006 1:30:41 AM PST
by
endthematrix
(None dare call it ISLAMOFACISM!)
To: PatrickHenry; Junior
Who'd have thought Kentucky would fall for this?
To: Virginia-American; Junior; VadeRetro; js1138; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic
Thanks for the ping. I donno if I should bother the list for this. All these "Luddite in state legislature goes ga-ga over ID" threads have a dreary sameness to them. I'll ping if a few of you ask me to.
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posted on
03/27/2006 4:37:02 AM PST
by
PatrickHenry
(Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
To: PatrickHenry
I wouldn't for this article. However, this governor needs to take a good look at Dover IMHO.
"Intelligent design and evolution -- why don't we give students the choice, or let them have facts about both of them,"
Show me any "facts" from ID is the question that immediately comes to mind. Also maybe we should give the students a choice between alchemy and chemistry. Makes about as much sense.
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posted on
03/27/2006 5:17:54 AM PST
by
RadioAstronomer
(Senior member of Darwin Central)
To: RadioAstronomer
Show me any "facts" from ID is the question that immediately comes to mind
Good quote in a recent Science News, vol. 168 (Nos 26 & 27), p. 414:
What is intelligent design? It's the missing link between creationism and religious instruction masquerading as biology.
Bruce Bower
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posted on
03/27/2006 5:36:31 AM PST
by
Coyoteman
(I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; ohioWfan; Tribune7; Tolkien; GrandEagle; Right in Wisconsin; Dataman; ..
More liberal Dems trying to stop critical thinking in our schools.
Revelation 4:11
Constantly searching for objectivity in the evolution debate...
See my profile for info
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posted on
03/27/2006 5:55:54 AM PST
by
wallcrawlr
(http://www.bionicear.com)
To: Coyoteman
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posted on
03/27/2006 5:58:28 AM PST
by
RadioAstronomer
(Senior member of Darwin Central)
To: RadioAstronomer
Creationism/Intelligent Design is to science what "The Da Vinci Code" is to Christianity.
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posted on
03/27/2006 6:21:14 AM PST
by
PatrickHenry
(Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
To: balch3
The thing I don't understand about ID is why an intelligent designer would lavish so much love and attention on the bacterial flagellum -- a device whose primary function is to cause dysentery and kill infants and children.
Perhaps the intelligent designer is a really late term abortionist.
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posted on
03/27/2006 6:43:39 AM PST
by
js1138
(~()):~)>)
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posted on
03/27/2006 9:24:23 AM PST
by
Junior
(Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
To: balch3
... She then asked House members to vote against the nominations to "send a message that we are not a state that will fall prey to intelligent design, which is nothing more than (hysterical screaming) creationism (/hysterical screaming)."
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posted on
03/27/2006 9:43:12 AM PST
by
KMJames
To: KMJames
... She then asked House members to vote against the nominations to "send a message that we are not a state that will fall prey to intelligent design, which is nothing more than (hysterical screaming) creationism (/hysterical screaming)." I see that since you can't rebut her statement on the facts (since it is accurate), you're dishonestly attempting a lame ad hominem by falsely claiming that she was hysterical, when she was not.
To: Ichneumon
When I read her statement as written, it sounds like she is making "creationism" some kind of hidden bogeyman behind intelligent design.
No big deal to me what kind of semantic games anyone wants to play on this issue - the fact is that the material world and living organisms exist now and you or this lady or Carl Sagan or Darryl "Chocolate Thunder" Dawkins...etc...don't "really" know how it came to be. So please stop acting like you got it all figured out - YOU DON'T.
And, I hardly think intelligent design is out preying on states, whatever the heck that means.
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posted on
03/27/2006 10:17:29 AM PST
by
KMJames
To: Coyoteman
even if it was, which it isn't, this is a Judeo-Christian country.
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posted on
03/27/2006 11:29:34 AM PST
by
balch3
To: KMJames
...sounds like she is making "creationism" some kind of hidden bogeyman behind intelligent design... Hidden?
To: Virginia-American
My point exactly...it's not like she's stating anything other than the obvious.
My question is: Is she really afraid of creationism? That seems hysterical to me.
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posted on
03/27/2006 12:42:13 PM PST
by
KMJames
To: balch3
even if it was, which it isn't, this is a Judeo-Christian country. So, this means we teach ID in science classes?
Sorry, there is simply no science in ID.
Next you'd have us teaching the global flood as science. No science there either.
I think the quote I posted earlier, which you responded to, was accurate.
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posted on
03/27/2006 6:08:17 PM PST
by
Coyoteman
(I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
To: balch3
even if it was, which it isn't, this is a Judeo-Christian country.Ah, that would explain why less than one-third of the Ten Commandments have ever found it into American Law.
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posted on
03/27/2006 6:10:45 PM PST
by
Wormwood
(Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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