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Towards a new test of general relativity?
European Space Agency ^ | 23 March 2006 | Staff

Posted on 03/25/2006 11:13:27 AM PST by PatrickHenry

Scientists funded by the European Space Agency have measured the gravitational equivalent of a magnetic field for the first time in a laboratory. Under certain special conditions the effect is much larger than expected from general relativity and could help physicists to make a significant step towards the long-sought-after quantum theory of gravity.

Just as a moving electrical charge creates a magnetic field, so a moving mass generates a gravitomagnetic field. According to Einstein's Theory of General Relativity, the effect is virtually negligible. However, Martin Tajmar, ARC Seibersdorf Research GmbH, Austria; Clovis de Matos, ESA-HQ, Paris; and colleagues have measured the effect in a laboratory.

Their experiment involves a ring of superconducting material rotating up to 6 500 times a minute. Superconductors are special materials that lose all electrical resistance at a certain temperature. Spinning superconductors produce a weak magnetic field, the so-called London moment. The new experiment tests a conjecture by Tajmar and de Matos that explains the difference between high-precision mass measurements of Cooper-pairs (the current carriers in superconductors) and their prediction via quantum theory. They have discovered that this anomaly could be explained by the appearance of a gravitomagnetic field in the spinning superconductor (This effect has been named the Gravitomagnetic London Moment by analogy with its magnetic counterpart).

Small acceleration sensors placed at different locations close to the spinning superconductor, which has to be accelerated for the effect to be noticeable, recorded an acceleration field outside the superconductor that appears to be produced by gravitomagnetism. "This experiment is the gravitational analogue of Faraday's electromagnetic induction experiment in 1831.

It demonstrates that a superconductive gyroscope is capable of generating a powerful gravitomagnetic field, and is therefore the gravitational counterpart of the magnetic coil. Depending on further confirmation, this effect could form the basis for a new technological domain, which would have numerous applications in space and other high-tech sectors" says de Matos. Although just 100 millionths of the acceleration due to the Earth’s gravitational field, the measured field is a surprising one hundred million trillion times larger than Einstein’s General Relativity predicts. Initially, the researchers were reluctant to believe their own results.


An angularly accelerated superconductive ring induces non-Newtonian gravitational fields in its neibourghood.

"We ran more than 250 experiments, improved the facility over 3 years and discussed the validity of the results for 8 months before making this announcement. Now we are confident about the measurement," says Tajmar, who performed the experiments and hopes that other physicists will conduct their own versions of the experiment in order to verify the findings and rule out a facility induced effect.

In parallel to the experimental evaluation of their conjecture, Tajmar and de Matos also looked for a more refined theoretical model of the Gravitomagnetic London Moment. They took their inspiration from superconductivity. The electromagnetic properties of superconductors are explained in quantum theory by assuming that force-carrying particles, known as photons, gain mass. By allowing force-carrying gravitational particles, known as the gravitons, to become heavier, they found that the unexpectedly large gravitomagnetic force could be modelled.

"If confirmed, this would be a major breakthrough," says Tajmar, "it opens up a new means of investigating general relativity and it consequences in the quantum world."

The results were presented at a one-day conference at ESA's European Space and Technology Research Centre (ESTEC), in the Netherlands, 21 March 2006. Two papers detailing the work are now being considered for publication. The papers can be accessed on-line at the Los Alamos pre-print server using the references: gr-qc/0603033 and gr-qc/0603032.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: physics; podkletnov; relativity
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I donno, but this looks like it might be big. Very big.
1 posted on 03/25/2006 11:13:29 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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2 posted on 03/25/2006 11:14:27 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Will this help get me 100 mpg in my old car by making it weigh less?


3 posted on 03/25/2006 11:18:27 AM PST by ASOC (Choose between the lesser of two evils, and in the end, you still have - evil.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Big stuff indead. Looks like the existence of the elusive "graviton" has been confirmed.


4 posted on 03/25/2006 11:22:00 AM PST by Maynerd
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To: PatrickHenry
one hundred million trillion times larger

and that is how many 0's to the ? power - mind boggling

5 posted on 03/25/2006 11:24:59 AM PST by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: PatrickHenry

I conclude from the above that E=MC10


6 posted on 03/25/2006 11:27:33 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: PatrickHenry
It's one more example of extraterrestrial technology slowly leaked into our scientific world, just as lasers, microchips and superconducting solids have been leaked over the decades. This is the gravity-amplifying technology that drives extraterrestrial spaceships, or "UFO's" as we've been calling them over the years. This is the technology that will make space travel easy and affordable in the future.

(Hey, you don't think I make this stuff up, do you?)

7 posted on 03/25/2006 11:33:40 AM PST by Publius
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To: PatrickHenry
Great article. This looks like it could be a Nobel Prize in the making, if the results turn out to be valid. (Note the very big 'if'. Just a hunch that they'll have trouble convincing a lot of reviewers that the effect isn't attributable to a systematic error without a lot more testing.)
8 posted on 03/25/2006 11:38:11 AM PST by Quark2005 (Confidence follows from consilience.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Whoo-Yah. I normally don't say things like this in a post, but read my novel. Sure it's only sci-fi, but the protagonist produces gravitational fields almost exactly as described here. It is the basis of the whole book.

Just one more cognitive leap to make: They aren't measuring gravity fields, they are measuring time fields.

flame suit on...

9 posted on 03/25/2006 11:39:08 AM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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"This experiment is the gravitational analogue of Faraday's electromagnetic induction experiment in 1831.

This I understand.

By allowing force-carrying gravitational particles, known as the gravitons, to become heavier, they found that the unexpectedly large gravitomagnetic force could be modeled

This I don't. Could someone explain. I get the part about photons gaining mass....but I'm stuck on gravitons. I thought they were theoretical.

10 posted on 03/25/2006 11:46:22 AM PST by Focault's Pendulum (I'm not a curmudgeon!!!! I've just been in a bad mood since '73)
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To: PatrickHenry
a ring of superconducting material rotating up to 6 500 times a minute

The magnets mounted on a bicycle wheel in my laboratory were headed toward this. Just a matter of rotating a hundred times faster and dropping the temperature four hundred degrees, and a few other minor details. There is a time for Michael Faraday, and this could be be that time.

11 posted on 03/25/2006 11:51:44 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

Perhaps this proves that they aren't theoretical.


12 posted on 03/25/2006 11:51:51 AM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: Focault's Pendulum
It's not clear. The article says they used "Small acceleration sensors" to detect whatever it is they detected. I assume those are something like Robert Forward's mass detectors, but I'm guessing. Then they attribute their unexpectedly high readings to gravitomagnetism. It's a bit conjectural at this point. But if they've really detected something, it certainly requires an explanation.
13 posted on 03/25/2006 11:53:12 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: RightWhale
Stupid question department:

If I have a charge being conducted through a rotating superconductor, is there a rotational speed at which that charge is actually static?

14 posted on 03/25/2006 11:54:29 AM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: PatrickHenry
big. Very big.

This should have happened in America, but we're simply losing our edge. Perhaps we can petition Congress to cut loose of some of the money they have stashed in the basement and kindle some interest in science.

15 posted on 03/25/2006 11:54:33 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: lafroste
They aren't measuring gravity fields, they are measuring time fields

Sure, but time is not a field. What it is, is hard to say, but field isn't it. It's more of a function of being on the surface of a hyperdimensional sphere.

16 posted on 03/25/2006 11:57:26 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: lafroste

Try it. Faraday would set it up and see what happened. Sometimes there are surprises.


17 posted on 03/25/2006 11:58:57 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: ASOC

Even if your car weighed less, I think it would still have the same mass so the same mpg.


18 posted on 03/25/2006 11:58:59 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Focault's Pendulum
I get the part about photons gaining mass....but I'm stuck on gravitons. I thought they were theoretical.

Not anymore!

19 posted on 03/25/2006 11:59:37 AM PST by Maynerd
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To: lafroste
Perhaps this proves that they aren't theoretical.

Thank you for that in depth explanation. Only kidding.

I'm looking forward to reading your book.

I'm really stuck on this. I just got finished figuring out string theory...and now this comes along.

20 posted on 03/25/2006 11:59:46 AM PST by Focault's Pendulum (I'm not a curmudgeon!!!! I've just been in a bad mood since '73)
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