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A Creator's Possible Calling Card
Sky & Telescope Magazine ^ | December 23, 2005 | Robert Naeye

Posted on 03/23/2006 4:37:32 PM PST by Brilliant

If our universe was purposefully created — perhaps by a deity or an advanced civilization in another universe — could the Creator have left a calling card? The idea is not as crazy as it seems. Renowned cosmologists such as Andre Linde (Stanford University) and Alan Guth (MIT) have speculated that an advanced civilization could, in principle, cook up a new universe in a lab by concentrating huge quantities of energy into a tiny volume of space. And even the avowed agnostic Carl Sagan concocted a story at the very end of his sci-fi novel Contact of how scientists discover a message from the Creator embedded deep inside the number pi.

In a paper posted on astro-ph, physicists Stephen Hsu (University of Oregon) and Anthony Zee (University of California, Santa Barbara) come up with an alternative idea: astronomers can look for a message from the Creator in the cosmic microwave background (CMB) — the echo of the Big Bang.

"Our work does not support the Intelligent Design movement in any way whatsoever, but asks, and attempts to answer, the entirely scientific question of what the medium and message might be IF there was actually a message," write the authors.

The trick, say Hsu and Zee, is for the Creator to fine-tune the inflaton field — the field responsible for inflating the early universe — to encode a binary message in the subtle hot and cold spots of the CMB. As the authors note, the CMB is a "giant billboard on the sky" visible to all civilizations in all galaxies. Because different regions of the universe are so far apart that they are not causally connected, only a cosmos Creator could place a message in the CMB that all civilizations could detect.

Given the limited number of distinct regions of the sky of any fixed size, Hsu and Zee calculate that the message could include up to 100,000 bits of information. Such a message might, for example, reveal fundamental laws of physics. While current experiments like NASA's WMAP satellite do not have sufficient angular resolution or sensitivity to detect the extremely small-scale temperature fluctuations that would encode the message, future instruments might be capable of doing so. The authors urge that scientists analyze subsequent CMB data for possible patterns. "This may be even more fun than SETI," they conclude (SETI is the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence).

In another paper posted on astro-ph, Douglas Scott and James P. Zibin (University of British Columbia, Canada) counter that Hsu and Zee overestimate the amount of information that can be encoded in the CMB.

Hsu responds, "Both groups agree that one can encode a universal message in the CMB. But we disagree as to its maximal information content."

The cosmic microwave background (CMB) is leftover radiation from the Big Bang redshifted (stretched) by the universe's expansion into the microwave region of the spectrum. In this image NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) records minuscule temperature fluctuations in the CMB as different colors. In principle, an advanced civilization could create a universe and encode information in the CMB that would let civilizations in the offspring universe know that their universe had been purposefully created. NASA / WMAP Science Team.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; crevolist; god; science
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Well, that's a new twist to creation science... The universe was created by an advanced civilization?
1 posted on 03/23/2006 4:37:34 PM PST by Brilliant
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Well, that's a new twist to creation science... The universe was created by an advanced civilization?
2 posted on 03/23/2006 4:42:11 PM PST by Frank T
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To: Brilliant

IIRC, there was a Star Trek episode about some type of message coded in our genes (in the introns) from our "creators". This article reminds me of that.


3 posted on 03/23/2006 4:43:50 PM PST by generally (Ask me about FReepers Folding@Home)
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To: Brilliant

Of course, that just begs the question, who created the advanced civilization?


4 posted on 03/23/2006 4:45:16 PM PST by generally (Ask me about FReepers Folding@Home)
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To: generally

Or maybe it's the Trinity that is the advanced civilization.


5 posted on 03/23/2006 4:46:53 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: PatrickHenry

Ping.


6 posted on 03/23/2006 4:47:13 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Brilliant

No, actually they are left overs from an overdose of LSD in their young days......it comes from being an effected youth and maybe being bullied in grade school...:)))


7 posted on 03/23/2006 4:48:24 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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Placemarker
8 posted on 03/23/2006 4:52:06 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Junior
Interesting. This is more than a science thread. I think I should ping the evo list too. Cranking up the ping machine ...
9 posted on 03/23/2006 4:54:12 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: Frank T

Oooh, that cartoon made my brain hurt.


10 posted on 03/23/2006 4:54:47 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: generally
Of course, that just begs the question, who created the advanced civilization?

The previous advanced civilization.

11 posted on 03/23/2006 4:55:59 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
Note: New total. Now over 360 names.

Evolution Ping

The List-O-Links
A conservative, pro-evolution science list, now with over 360 names.
See the list's explanation, then FReepmail to be added or dropped.
To assist beginners: But it's "just a theory", Evo-Troll's Toolkit,
and How to argue against a scientific theory.

12 posted on 03/23/2006 4:56:05 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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360 names, but only 13 posts on this thread.

Harumph.

13 posted on 03/23/2006 5:00:33 PM PST by Gumlegs
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I see the message ! It's so clear! It says

A..L...L...space...Y...O...U...R...space...B...A...S...E...space...A...R...E...space...B...E...L...O...N...G.........

14 posted on 03/23/2006 5:02:01 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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Nah, it's all spontaneous generation dontcha know? I know, they told us in our second grade science books that Spontaneous generation is false, but... looks like they've changed their minds about that since then.


15 posted on 03/23/2006 5:02:41 PM PST by Terriergal ("My conscience is captive to the word of God...here I stand. I can do no other. So help me God." ML)
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To: PatrickHenry

If you call us...we will come.

LOL.


16 posted on 03/23/2006 5:03:17 PM PST by I got the rope
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"Nah, it's all spontaneous generation dontcha know? I know, they told us in our second grade science books that Spontaneous generation is false, but... looks like they've changed their minds about that since then."

Not that crap again. We've been through this... though you conveniently never replied. Spontaneous generation has nothing to do with evolution.
17 posted on 03/23/2006 5:06:26 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Gumlegs
360 names, but only 13 posts on this thread.

Waiting for “breathtaking inanity".

Patience.

18 posted on 03/23/2006 5:06:28 PM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: Right Wing Professor

19 posted on 03/23/2006 5:06:45 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Hiya! Can you add me to the list? Please and thank-you.


20 posted on 03/23/2006 5:07:21 PM PST by hootiebird
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