Posted on 03/22/2006 8:58:42 PM PST by Jim Robinson
Edited on 03/23/2006 2:06:21 AM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]
Re: Your attempt to shut down political free speech on the Internet
John McCain, you treasonous bastard, I challenge you or any of your traitorous cohorts to find even one thread, one post, one paragraph, one sentence or even one lousy word posted to this web site that is not fully protected by the First Amendment!
And I will extend that to one chapter, one group, one poster or any group of posters on this forum. Name one assembly, petition, letter, protest, meeting or rally convened, filed, submitted, attended or supported by members of this forum that is not 100% protected and guaranteed as free speech or free assembly by the First Amendment!
Your McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform legislation is a treasonous act. You and your cohorts are attempting to subvert the Constitution of the United States of America, the very same constitution that you swore an oath to defend, so help you God! That makes you a domestic enemy of that great document and a traitor to your country. Yes, and Benedict Arnold was a war hero before he turned traitor too.
How dare you even think that you are qualified to sit in the oval office! Ronald Reagan's office! President? Hah! You miserable excuse for a two-bit political hack, you're not even qualified to shine Ronald Reagan's boots. If you do run, I'm afraid you're gonna be at least one vote short. It'll be a cold day in hell before a traitor like you ever receives my vote. And that's a campaign promise you can take to the bank.
You can take your fascist campaign finance laws and the jackbooted FEC anti-free-speech enforcers you are empowering and put them where the sun don't shine. And if this post is in violation of your unconstitutional law, shove it too!
Paraphrased from In the Face of Evil: Reagan's War in Word and Deed:
The Beast never dies, it simply changes form. The Beast has known many forms: Bolshevism, communism, Nazism, fascism. The Beast has had many names: Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, Tojo, Mao, Pol Pot.
The Beast cannot co-exist with freedom. The very first freedom lost is the freedom of speech, then religion, knowledge and the arts. Anything that empowers the individual must be destroyed. The state must control all.
Power to the state.
Power as an end to itself.
Those who speak out against the Beast are labeled extremists, radicals, warmongers. Churchill, McCarthy, Reagan.
The Beast must be contained, appeased. We must have "Detente" at any cost. Direct confrontation of the Beast must be avoided.
Appease him and pray the wolf may pass our door.
Free speech must die.
The Beast never dies.
Amazing isn't it?
The piling on about his POW years,, when none of these keyboard jock and butches have ever spent one day in capitivity.
Hit him on his votes, postions and championing of odious legislation, but not on his POW years.
I wonder what the same people will be saying if McCain becomes president...
He very well could! FR doesn't decide who wins.
OTHERS get to vote too --- millions of 'em.
Why would you choose to believe Soros' friend about his POW experience rather than believing his superior officers who were there at the time?
Did you have the same criticism of the veterans who exposed war hero Kerry”
Air Force Colonels Ted Guy and Gordon "Swede" Larson, were there why shouldn't they speak out and why shouldn't people believe them?
no, the plank is in my other eye
Why do you assume I believe Soro's friend?
I happen to know more about McCain than the whole of y'all put together.
Attack his senate votes, the legislation he has championed, but not his POW years. You're way off course there. It's a loser for you McCain haters.
I hate some of his legislation and his penchant for meddling and for courting MSM favor.
Get over his POW years.
His fellow POWS support him. Paul Gilante ( a fellow POW) served as his national campaign manager in 2000.
Admiral Stockdale, who was the OIC at the Hanoi Hilton supported him. They know. Others do not.
John F'n Kerry had his own set of "war heroes" who supported him too. I didn't believe them either.
Placemark
Kerry had veterans who supported him too. Did you speak out against the Swift Boat guys?
His superior officers who were in the prison at the same time say he lied about his treatment. Why believe two politicians rather than two guys who were there and were the senior officers in the camp?
Looks to me like you have one standard for Democrats and another for Republicans, unless of course you didn't believe the Swift Boat guys either.
There is no comparison, but rave on. Your "opinion" is no substitute for fact.
McCain is creepy. I was disgusted that his CFR passed. Among other acts, his treatment of his first wife gives insights into his true self.
McCain's superior OFFICERS supported him and those who are alive still support him.
Ronald Reagan liked McCain alot.
You are WRONG about his POW years!
Since you keep posting lies, I guess that makes you a liar.
I donated to the Swifties. Twice.
The comparison is apt. You just don't like it. There are already many "Swift Boat"-like questions about McCain's activities while POW. Kerry put up his folks to refute the Swifties too. So will McCain. I've read enough from those who served with McCain and were fellow POWs who call into question McCain's version of events to have my own serious questions about it. It isn't my opinion that I speak of, it is there's. I hope and pray that if and when McCain announces his candidacy that a group similar to the Swift Boat vets will step up and take him down. Raise enough question about McCain's story and he is toast. Republicans are far more touchy about the military service subject than Democrats will ever be. Fake medals and such mean very little to most Democrats. They mean much more to Republicans and we'll vote accordingly.
I don;t care how you vote or if you vote.
You're so effective, McCain wins reelection in your state repeatedly.
I am thrilled to know that you buy into lies when it suits your agenda.
That is very telling.
1,100 posts, plus, and I've only read the last few of 'em, so I know someone has said what I will say ...
I agree with you that his service and his extreme sacrifice are not to be insulted, but, the big paradox is that this same honorable service also infected him with PTSD. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. This simple fact disqualifies him in my mind.
I won't bother to go into the potential of his communist brainwashing him, (The Haniochian Candidate), nor his pathetic rhino'ism. The PTSD both excuses him, and disqualifies him.
Show one lie I posted. I quoted his superior officers who were there in the camp with him. You can call them liars if you want but it is you who has the credibility problem.
You arbitrarily choose to believe one veteran over another. That’s fine but it shows you are a hypocrite at best.
Kerry is on tape comment to congress. McCain is on tape too, doing propaganda films for the enemy. He admitted in print giving military information for special medical care.
Show ONE LIE in my posts. Just one.
You have no facts on your side so have to resort to attacking those of us who do. Come up with one lie or stand exposed.
hey jim, the article below might give you some more insight about mccain and why your observations are RIGHT ON THE MONEY.
the website this article is posted to is david horowitz's, and the author is Richard Poe. remember him? you wrote the forward for his book "Hillary's Secret War"
John McCain Gets Soros Cash
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1360852/posts
One such witness was Dolores Apodaca Alfond, chairwoman of the National Alliance of Families, an all-volunteer MIA organization. Her pilot brother, Capt. Victor J. Apodaca, out of the Air Force Academy, was shot down over Dong Hoi, North Vietnam, in the early evening of June 8, 1967. At least one person in the two-man plane survived. Beeper signals from a pilot's distress radio were picked up by overhead helicopters, but the cloud cover was too heavy to go in. Hanoi has recently turned over some bone fragments that are supposed to be Apodaca's. The Pentagon first declared the fragments to be animal bones. But now it is telling the family -- verbally -- that they came from the pilot. But the Pentagon, for unexplained reasons, will not put this in writing, which means Apodaca is still unaccounted for. Also the Pentagon refuses to give Alfond a sample of the fragments so she can have testing done by an independent laboratory.
Alfond's testimony, at a hearing of the POW/MIA committee Nov. 11, 1992, was revealing. She pleaded with the committee not to shut down in two months, as scheduled, because so much of its work was unfinished. Also, she was critical of the committee, and in particular Kerry and McCain, for having "discredited the overhead satellite symbol pictures, arguing there is no way to be sure that the [distress] symbols were made by U.S. POWs." She also criticized them for similarly discounting data from special sensors, shaped like a large spike with an electronic pod and an antenna, that were airdropped to stick in the ground along the Ho Chi Minh trail.
These devices served as motion detectors, picking up passing convoys and other military movements, but they also had rescue capabilities. Specifically, someone on the ground -- a downed airman or a prisoner on a labor detail -- could manually enter data into the sensor pods. Alfond said the data from the sensor spikes, which was regularly gathered by Air Force jets flying overhead, had showed that a person or persons on the ground had manually entered into the sensors -- as U.S. pilots had been trained to do -- "no less than 20 authenticator numbers that corresponded exactly to the classified authenticator numbers of 20 U.S. POWs who were lost in Laos."
Other than the panel's second co-chairman, Sen. Bob Smith, R-N.H., not a single committee member attended this public hearing. But McCain, having been advised of Alfond's testimony, suddenly rushed into the room to confront her. His face angry and his voice very loud, he accused her of making "allegations ... that are patently and totally false and deceptive." Making a fist, he shook his index finger at her and said she had insulted an emissary to Vietnam sent by President Bush. He said she had insulted other MIA families with her remarks. And then he said, through clenched teeth: "And I am sick and tired of you insulting mine and other people's [patriotism] who happen to have different views than yours."
Brought to tears
By this time, tears were running down Alfond's cheeks. She reached into her handbag for a handkerchief. She tried to speak: "The family members have been waiting for years -- years! And now you're shutting down." He kept interrupting her. She tried to say, through tears, that she had issued no insults. He kept talking over her words. He said she was accusing him and others of "some conspiracy without proof, and some cover-up." She said she was merely seeking "some answers. That is what I am asking." He ripped into her for using the word "fiasco." She replied: "The fiasco was the people that stepped out and said we have written the end, the final chapter to Vietnam." "No one said that," he shouted. "No one said what you are saying they said, Ms. Alfond." And then, his face flaming pink, he stalked out of the room, to shouts of disfavor from members of the audience.
As with most of McCain's remarks to Alfond, the facts in his closing blast at her were incorrect. Less than three weeks earlier, on Oct. 23, 1992, in a ceremony in the White House Rose Garden, President Bush -- with John McCain standing beside him -- said: "Today, finally, I am convinced that we can begin writing the last chapter in the Vietnam War."
The committee did indeed, as Alfond said they planned to do, shut down two months after the hearing.
That's okay. Hold your nose, close your mouth, plug your ears and blow hard, it will shoot out.
Start here and have fun.
This is a BLOG of no consequence but it IS your source.
http://www.conservative-insurgent.blog-city.com/the_counterfeit_hero.htm
BMOF.
I am through here.
I am not wasting anymore time with people who are happy to post lies about his POW years, which have been thorughly vetted OFFICIALLY.
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