Posted on 03/22/2006 8:58:42 PM PST by Jim Robinson
Edited on 03/23/2006 2:06:21 AM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]
Re: Your attempt to shut down political free speech on the Internet
John McCain, you treasonous bastard, I challenge you or any of your traitorous cohorts to find even one thread, one post, one paragraph, one sentence or even one lousy word posted to this web site that is not fully protected by the First Amendment!
And I will extend that to one chapter, one group, one poster or any group of posters on this forum. Name one assembly, petition, letter, protest, meeting or rally convened, filed, submitted, attended or supported by members of this forum that is not 100% protected and guaranteed as free speech or free assembly by the First Amendment!
Your McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform legislation is a treasonous act. You and your cohorts are attempting to subvert the Constitution of the United States of America, the very same constitution that you swore an oath to defend, so help you God! That makes you a domestic enemy of that great document and a traitor to your country. Yes, and Benedict Arnold was a war hero before he turned traitor too.
How dare you even think that you are qualified to sit in the oval office! Ronald Reagan's office! President? Hah! You miserable excuse for a two-bit political hack, you're not even qualified to shine Ronald Reagan's boots. If you do run, I'm afraid you're gonna be at least one vote short. It'll be a cold day in hell before a traitor like you ever receives my vote. And that's a campaign promise you can take to the bank.
You can take your fascist campaign finance laws and the jackbooted FEC anti-free-speech enforcers you are empowering and put them where the sun don't shine. And if this post is in violation of your unconstitutional law, shove it too!
Paraphrased from In the Face of Evil: Reagan's War in Word and Deed:
The Beast never dies, it simply changes form. The Beast has known many forms: Bolshevism, communism, Nazism, fascism. The Beast has had many names: Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, Tojo, Mao, Pol Pot.
The Beast cannot co-exist with freedom. The very first freedom lost is the freedom of speech, then religion, knowledge and the arts. Anything that empowers the individual must be destroyed. The state must control all.
Power to the state.
Power as an end to itself.
Those who speak out against the Beast are labeled extremists, radicals, warmongers. Churchill, McCarthy, Reagan.
The Beast must be contained, appeased. We must have "Detente" at any cost. Direct confrontation of the Beast must be avoided.
Appease him and pray the wolf may pass our door.
Free speech must die.
The Beast never dies.
Well, let's not get too damn syrupy!
You're watching Oprah way too often.
Now tell them how you REALLY feel JimRob!
Bradley Smith says that the freewheeling days of political blogging and online punditry are over.
In just a few months, he warns, bloggers and news organizations could risk the wrath of the federal government if they improperly link to a campaign's Web site. Even forwarding a political candidate's press release to a mailing list, depending on the details, could be punished by fines.
Smith should know. He's one of the six commissioners at the Federal Election Commission, which is beginning the perilous process of extending a controversial 2002 campaign finance law to the Internet.
In 2002, the FEC exempted the Internet by a 4-2 vote, but U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly last fall overturned that decision. "The commission's exclusion of Internet communications from the coordinated communications regulation severely undermines" the campaign finance law's purposes, Kollar-Kotelly wrote.
Smith and the other two Republican commissioners wanted to appeal the Internet-related sections. But because they couldn't get the three Democrats to go along with them, what Smith describes as a "bizarre" regulatory process now is under way.
CNET News.com spoke with Smith about the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002, better known as the McCain-Feingold law, and its forthcoming extrusion onto the Internet.
Q: What rules will apply to the Internet that did not before?
A: The commission has generally been hands-off on the Internet. We've said, "If you advertise on the Internet, that's an expenditure of money--much like if you were advertising on television or the newspaper."
The real question is: Would a link to a candidate's page be a problem? If someone sets up a home page and links to their favorite politician, is that a contribution? This is a big deal, if someone has already contributed the legal maximum, or if they're at the disclosure threshold and additional expenditures have to be disclosed under federal law.
Certainly a lot of bloggers are very much out front. Do we give bloggers the press exemption? If we don't give bloggers the press exemption, we have the question of, do we extend this to online-only journals like CNET?
How can the government place a value on a blog that praises some politician?
How do we measure that? Design fees, that sort of thing? The FEC did an advisory opinion in the late 1990s (in the Leo Smith case) that I don't think we'd hold to today, saying that if you owned a computer, you'd have to calculate what percentage of the computer cost and electricity went to political advocacy.
It seems absurd, but that's what the commission did. And that's the direction Judge Kollar-Kotelly would have us move in. Line drawing is going to be an inherently very difficult task. And then we'll be pushed to go further. Why can this person do it, but not that person?
How about a hyperlink? Is it worth a penny, or a dollar, to a campaign?
I don't know. But I'll tell you this. One thing the commission has argued over, debated, wrestled with, is how to value assistance to a campaign.
Corporations aren't allowed to donate to campaigns. Suppose a corporation devotes 20 minutes of a secretary's time and $30 in postage to sending out letters for an executive. As a result, the campaign raises $35,000. Do we value the violation on the amount of corporate resources actually spent, maybe $40, or the $35,000 actually raised? The commission has usually taken the view that we value it by the amount raised. It's still going to be difficult to value the link, but the value of the link will go up very quickly.
Then what's the real impact of the judge's decision?
The judge's decision is in no way limited to ads. She says that any coordinated activity over the Internet would need to be regulated, as a minimum. The problem with coordinated activity over the Internet is that it will strike, as a minimum, Internet reporting services.
They're exempt from regulation only because of the press exemption. But people have been arguing that the Internet doesn't fit
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under the press exemption. It becomes a really complex issue that would strike deep into the heart of the Internet and the bloggers who are writing out there today. (Editor's note: federal law limits the press exemption to a "broadcasting station, newspaper, magazine or other periodical publication." )
How do you see this playing out?
There's sensitivity in the commission on this. But remember the commission's decision to exempt the Internet only passed by a 4-2 vote.
This time, we couldn't muster enough votes to appeal the judge's decision. We appealed parts of her decision, but there were only three votes to appeal the Internet part (and we needed four). There seem to be at least three commissioners who like this.
Then this is a partisan issue?
Yes, it is at this time. But I always point out that partisan splits tend to reflect ideology rather than party. I don't think the Democratic commissioners are sitting around saying that the Internet is working to the advantage of the Republicans.
One of the reasons it's a good time to (fix this) now is you don't know who's benefiting. Both the Democrats and Republicans used the Internet very effectively in the last campaign.
What would you like to see happen?
I'd like someone to say that unpaid activity over the Internet is not an expenditure or contribution, or at least activity done by regular Internet journals, to cover sites like CNET, Slate and Salon. Otherwise, it's very likely that the Internet is going to be regulated, and the FEC and Congress will be inundated with e-mails saying, "How dare you do this!"
What happens next?
It's going to be a battle, and if nobody in Congress is willing to stand up and say, "Keep your hands off of this, and we'll change the statute to make it clear," then I think grassroots Internet activity is in danger. The impact would affect e-mail lists, especially if there's any sense that they're done in coordination with the campaign. If I forward something from the campaign to my personal list of several hundred people, which is a great grassroots activity, that's what we're talking about having to look at.
Senators McCain and Feingold have argued that we have to regulate the Internet, that we have to regulate e-mail. They sued us in court over this and they won.
If Congress doesn't change the law, what kind of activities will the FEC have to target?
We're talking about any decision by an individual to put a link (to a political candidate) on their home page, set up a blog, send out mass e-mails, any kind of activity that can be done on the Internet.
Again, blogging could also get us into issues about online journals and non-online journals. Why should CNET get an exemption but not an informal blog? Why should Salon or Slate get an exemption? Should Nytimes.com and Opinionjournal.com get an exemption but not online sites, just because the newspapers have a print edition as well?
Why wouldn't the news exemption cover bloggers and online media?
Because the statute refers to periodicals or broadcast, and it's not clear the Internet is either of those. Second, because there's no standard for being a blogger, anyone can claim to be one, and we're back to the deregulated Internet that the judge objected to. Also I think some of my colleagues on the commission would be uncomfortable with that kind of blanket exemption.
So if you're using text that the campaign sends you, and you're reproducing it on your blog or forwarding it to a mailing list, you could be in trouble?
Yes. In fact, the regulations are very specific that reproducing a campaign's material is a reproduction for purpose of triggering the law. That'll count as an expenditure that counts against campaign finance law.
This is an incredible thicket. If someone else doesn't take action, for instance in Congress, we're running a real possibility of serious Internet regulation. It's going to be bizarre.
Kollar-Kotelly, Colleen
Born 1943 in New York, NY
Federal Judicial Service:
U. S. District Court for the District of Columbia
Nominated by William J. Clinton on January 7, 1997, to a seat vacated by Harold H. Greene; Confirmed by the Senate on March 20, 1997, and received commission on March 26, 1997.
Education:
Catholic University of America, B.A., 1965
Catholic University of America, Columbus School of Law, J.D., 1968
Professional Career:
Law clerk, Hon. Catherine Kelly, District of Columbia Court of Appeals, 1968-1969
Attorney, U.S. Department of Justice, Criminal Division, Appellate Section, 1969-1972
Chief legal counsel, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, St. Elizabeth's Hospital, 1972-1984
Associate judge, Superior Court of the District of Columbia, 1984-1997
Race or Ethnicity: White
Gender: Female
Why, Sen. McCain, is there such a rush by you and others to do business with the same regime, which you, yourself, once called "degenerate" and whose leaders' hands are dripping with the blood of captive, helpless Americans--your fellow POWs? Have the Vietnamese flipped you a Queen of Diamonds?
Yes. Its head they win, tails we loose with the leftists.
Let's hope the Republican faithful will come out heavily in November and help defeat this Judas and put somebody like Allen, Pence, or Rice in office.
McPane makes me sick to my stomach.
You are such an excellant representative for McCain, I'm surprised so many haven't been turned to your position after your solid defense of him. LOL
BTW, do you really think you are fooling anyone here about who you are and what you stand for? It's certainly not conservatism by any means.
Yeah, yeah - and the Mafia killed the Kennedys and there was no moon landing. Thanks all the same but if I want to read kook conspiracies I'll try Rense or WhatNeverReallyHappened.com.
Your link goes nowhere for me.
Archy, a fellow POW was his national campaign manager.
McCain's POW time is not a topic to slam.
He's told everything he did.
How many hours have you been held captive by enemy soldiers?
I think everything McCain has done as a senator and congressman are OPEN for debate, slams and attacks, but NOT his POW years.
That sux big time and it reflects horribly on the poster.
Two former POWs, Air Force Colonels Ted Guy and Gordon "Swede" Larson, said in a March 25, 1999, Phoenix New Times feature article that while they could not guarantee that McCain was not physically harmed, they doubted it. Both Guy and Larson were senior ranking officers (SRO's) in McCain's POW camp at a time he claims he was in solitary confinement and being tortured
Larson told the New Times, "Between the two of us, it's our belief, and to the best of our knowledge, that no prisoner was beaten or harmed physically in that camp [known as 'The Plantation'].
I believe you're right.
Hope you're right.
But will they have anyone any better?
Don't they limit the field to the compliant puppets they want more and more and more with every election? Wish I didn't feel this way.
I agree with you, Jim, 100%. I have long wondered if perhaps McCain was brain injured while in capitivity. On the other hand, I can't help but wonder if he were helpful to the enemy during his incarceration. I tend to believe the latter.
I guess it was the plank in yours that you did not see this earlier, huh?
It's interesting that on a thread about free speech, I have to put up with little pipsqueaks like you jumping on all my posts.
Now please run along. I am sure there are people to squeak at on other threads.
The chambers operation was also compromised by frequent acts of barbarism. Its
parts and Oxygen bottles were often "borrowed" rendering the chamber inoperable.
Photo courtesy of Missy Aisek and the Sos family.
Sometime in the late 1980s, Senator John McCain (R-Arizona), dived in Truk and
befriended Kimiuo Aisek. Their bond of friendship was so strong that McCain vowed
to obtain a recompression chamber for Truk.
Cindy McCain, the second wife of the famous Vietnam POW, came through with a
chamber donation through her American Voluntary Medical Team. Kimiuo tried to
reciprocate in 2000, by establishing McCains westernmost presidential campaign
headquarters.
February 2000 photo by Joshua Zuckerman, son of Dr. Steve Zuckerman. Josh
lived in Truk from October 1973 to October 1975 and is now a professional
photographer in New York City.
Today Chuuk has a state of the art 60" diameter recompression chamber with a
main lock and entry lock. The vessel was commissioned into service February 26,
2003. Hyperbaric Health Australia owns the chamber and provides
technical support and training to Bruton Enterprises, lessee.
Photo by Larry Bruton.
p.s. If anyone can succeed in contacting Sen. McCain for more information
about his donation, I would be grateful. My attempts have been for naught. Kinisou
Chapur!
http://freenet.sourceforge.net/
Interesting. thanks! (See also the Wikipedia description.)
Mark to read later...
FGS!
Take your meds.
At least McCain was certified SANE after his release, as were all the POWS.
Read McCain's first book.
He admitted everything he did and his fellow POWS have never come after him.
Quite the reverse: they have supported him.
Please reference where I have stated you have no right to state your opinion?
Please state how I've attempted to censure your opinion?
You cannot because I have not.
Free Speech does not mean you get to call FreeRepublic posters lemmings because they agree with the founder of this board about McCain, and then be spared rebuttal in the form that you back up that accusation with facts. You were recommended to examine posting histories that defy your accusation about the intellectual independence of members of this board. Yet you have not, to do so would call for an honest poster to retract their previous remarks.
But I can see why you adore John McCain. He, also, believes that HE can say as he likes but everyone else should be exempt from the priveledge of a rebuttal. The essence of his legislation found in CFR.
It is quite clear you haven't a clue what free speech actually entitles.
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