Saddam Regime Document: Iraqi Intelligence met with Bin Laden in 1995 (Translation)

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[jveritas]

In the Pentagon/FMSO document ISGZ-2004-009247 there is a clear report about the relation between Iraq and Bin Laden that dated back to 1995. This document contains a 9 page report from the Iraqi Intelligence Apparatus and it is titled “The Saudi Opposition and Achieving the Relation and Contact With Them”. In the report they talk about there meeting with Osama Bin Laden and that Bin Laden in 1995 and how to establish relations wiht him. In the meeting Bin Laden asked the Iraqis for joint operations with them against the Foreign forces (US military) in the land of Hijaz (Saudia or Saudi Arabia).

I did a partial translation of the report that is related to Osama Bin Laden

(Translation of Part of Page 1)

In the Name of God the Most Merciful and the Most Compassionate.

The Saudi Opposition and Achieving the Relation and Contact With Them

(Translation of part of Page 4)

2. The Comission of Reform and Advise

Lead by the Saudi Osama Bin Laden who belongs to a wealthy Saudi family with her roots go back to Hadramoot and connected strongly with the ruling family in Saudia, and he is one of the leaders of the Arab Afghan who volunteered for Jihad in Afghanistan, and after the expulsion of the Soviets he moved to stay in Sudan in the year 1992 after the arrival of the Islamists to power in Sudan.

And because of his stands against the Saudi Royal family because of the foreign presence inside it, the Saudi authorities made a decision to withdraw his Saudi citizenship, and we moved toward The Comission from our side and through the following:

Translation of page 5

A. During the visit of the Sudanese Dr. Abrahim Al Sanoosi to the country and his meeting with Mr. Uday Saddam Hussein on 13/12/1994 and with the presence of the respectful Sir the Director of the Apparatus he indicated that the opposition person Osama Bin Laden who is staying in Sudan and who was cautious and fears that he will be accused by his opponents that he became an agent for Iraq, is ready to meet with him in Sudan (The results of the meeting were written to the Honorable Presidency according to our letter 872 on 17/12/1994).

B. The approval of the Honorable Presidency was granted to meet with the opposition person Osama Bin Laden by the Apparatus according to letter 128 on 11/1/1995 (attachment 6) and the meting with him was completed by Mr. M.A ex-4th Directory in Sudan and with the presence of the Sudanese Dr. Abrahim AL Sanoosi on 19/2/1995 and a discussion occurred about his organization, and he requested the broadcasting of Sheikh Sleiman AL Awada (who has influence in Saudia and outside since he is a known and influential religious personality) and dedicate a program for them through the station directed inside the country and make joint operations against the forces of infidels in the land of Hijaz ( the Honorable Presidency has been notified with the details of the meeting according to our letter 370 in 4/3/1995 attachment 7).

Translation of page 6

C. The approval of Mr. President the Leader God protect him was granted to dedicate and program for them through the station directed and we leave to develop the relation and cooperation between the two sides what open in front of it in discussion and agreement through other cooperation doors. The Sudanese side was informed about the approval of the Honorable Presidency above through the representative of the respectful Sir the Director of the Apparatus our ambassador in Khartoom.

D. Due to the latest conditions in Sudan and accusing her harboring of supporting and harboring terrorism it was agreed with the opposition person the Saudi Osama Bin Laden to leave Sudan to another place where he left Khartoom in the month of July 1996 and the information indicate that he is Afghanistan at the present moment. There is stil relation with him through the Sudanese side and we work in the present moment to activate this relation with him through a new channel in light of the current place where he stays.

[bray]

Can you document and prove beyond much doubt that there was communication and collusion between OBL and Saddamn? That can destroy a major argument of the left.

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters

[jveritas]

I hope that there will be such a document of one on one communication between Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Please remember that there are still tens of thousands of documents to be published so you never know.

However this current document that talk about Bin Laden meeting with Iraqi intelligence per Saddam approval in 1995, and the other document from the Afghani Consul is already a strong proof that a relation existed between Saddam and Bin Laden.

[jveritas]

Excellent, go for it :)

[ohioWfan]

In the meeting Bin Laden asked the Iraqis for joint operations with them against the Foreign forces (US military) in the land of Hijaz (Saudia or Saudi Arabia).

KaPOW!! GREAT stuff, j!

You have my humblest gratitude for all the work you are doing in the cause of TRUTH!!

[nopardons]

bttt

[DocRock]

Thanks for your efforts!

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[Txsleuth]

I just heard a Fox News break with Donna Fiducia...and I heard her say something about documents being found that proved the Iraq didn't have any WMDs..or something like that.

Do you know what she was referring to?

[eyespysomething]

Maybe this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600501/posts

or else the story I saw about how his generals are saying he told them right before the start of the war that he had no WMD.

[FreeReign]

Excerpt: 8. Reporting from a well placed source disclosed...

And later more reporting, from the same "well placed" source:

Relying on unnamed sources is risky. Even when they are so-call "well placed" and from our side of the MSM.

That said, let the record show that the Weekly Standard's unnamed well placed source was -- correct.

[jveritas]

I am not aware of this. Are they referring to the crAP article where is an audio excerpt from Saddam being frustrated they no one believe that Iraq does not have WMD? I think Saddam may have known that he was listened to at this moment and said what they want us to hear.

By the way why crAP did not yet publish an article about the document that showed Saddam relation with Bin Laden? Of course it does not fit their agenda and it contradicts all their lies.

[jveritas]

Thank you very much OhioWfan :)

[Txsleuth]

I am not sure...like I said it was just a news break.

eyespysomething sent me to a thread written by an AP guy..that might have been it.

I just HATE when the radio news or these news blurbs pick up one sentence and repeat it as gospel...

I always am incredulous what ABC radio news reports..because I will have spent the day here..and wathing the news..and half the time ABC News is dead wrong.

[Avenger]

Impossible! Everyone knows that Iraq under Saddam was secular and therefore OBL and Saddam could not possibly work together.

[Txsleuth]

BTW...I don't know if you ever watch Hairball...but tonight Chrissy was going on and on about how Bush positively DID say that Saddam was involved in 9/11....and that he LIED about WMDS...

He got away with it quite well with Pat Buchanan, David Gergen, and Margret Carlson...but unfortunately, his other guest was Stephen Hayes..of Weekly Standard..

BUT, every time Stephen would correct Chris on his lies, Chris would try to talk over him..or go to Marget Carlson for her opinion, knowing that Carlson is worse than Chris is about calling Bush a liar...

Luckily Hayes wasn't like Byron York..who will kowtow to Chris..and not argue with him when he says lies and stupid stuff.

[El Gato]

I'm assuming that the 9/11 commission DID NOT have these documents?

Even if they did, they weren't translated, and heaven forbid that the Commission should hire a few translators.

Or use machine translation, some of which is much better than the stuff one commonly sees on the net, such as Bablefish. Or just use computers to scan in the documents, and search for key words (in Arabic) and then translate the documents with "hits". You might even use machine translation on these "first pass" documents, then have real people scan the translations to see if they are really of interest. Then use trusted human translators to translate the ones that are "interesting".

[El Gato]

Is the language used sufficiently simple or at a low enough "reading level" that the documents could be scanned by those with only basic Arabic language skills? I'm thinking of using trainees at the Defense Language Institute in Monterrey California to "sift" through the mass of documents, turning over the "good stuff" to more experienced people, even native speakers such as yourself.

PS: All the documents that I have translated so far are handwritten ones and I think there is not a software in the world that can possibly do the translation of a handwritten Arabic document.

Actually it might be easier than doing it to most European languages. Looking at the documents, it appears that even in handwritten documents, the characters are distinct. More like hand printed English (or other Latin alphabet language) rather than a written (i.e. cursive) text using the Latin alphabet. This would Kiley make optical character recognition easier. Then it's a matter of parsing the characters into words and then translating the words. I don't know how hard it is to translate Arabic words and sentences into English words and sentences. I'm sure the result of such a machine translation would be rough, but it would certainly be good enough to then employ English speakers to screen the documents. Or you could translate to Spanish, which is probably closer in structure to Arabic than other European languages, and use the many Spanish speakers we have in the US to do the screening. Maybe even translate it to Hebrew, which is probably much closer to Arabic in structure, and let a bunch of Jews and other Hebrew readers translate it. There would be a certain poetic justice in that, don't you think?

[joseph20]

This is a big deal! Why isn't the MSM shouting this stuff off the rooftops? It's so frustrating.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[El Gato]

Yeah, but "put her down" is probably not an appropriate credit to the civil and artful manner that he communicated past her to the listening public.

How about "ran right over (or through) her"?

[El Gato]

Here is a program that will scan arabic text and turns it into text files.

The problem is that the documents are not in typed or printed Arabic, but rather handwritten text. Because of individual variations, as well as variations within even a single document, written text is much harder to "recognize" than printed text. From looking at the site it appears that their character recognition software works very well with printed text. It would probably not work so well with hand written text. At minimum it might have to be "trained" on each individuals writing style. Still as I indicated above, it appears that written Arabic is more akin to hand printed English than cursive English. Lord knows even my printing is hard enough to read, my cursive is next to impossible. Arabic writing seems to have mix of the charactertics of hand printed and cursive English writing.