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Observers Foresee a Europe Divided Along Muslim / Non-Muslim Lines
AFA ^ | Chad Groening

Posted on 03/16/2006 8:23:48 PM PST by Cedar

Observers Foresee a Europe Divided Along Muslim / Non-Muslim Lines

By Chad Groening

The director of the group Jihad Watch says things have gotten so bad in Europe that the only solution to the Islamic problem might be to divide the continent into Muslim and non-Muslim enclaves.

Much has been made of the growing Muslim presence in Europe. According to 2005 statistics, roughly 10 percent of the population in France is Muslim -- percentages in Bulgaria and Russia, says IslamicPopulation.com, are even higher (12 and 19 percent, respectively). And in Southern Europe, there are considerably higher percentages in Macedonia (30), Bosnia Herzegovina (60), and Albania (70). By comparison, estimates place the Muslim presence in the United States at around two percent of the population.

Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch notes there are already vast areas surrounding major European cities like Paris that have been completely taken over by Muslims. Spencer, who describes this as a "very dangerous situation," says there is much pessimism about how things are going to play out.

"I was in the Hague [Netherlands] not long ago for a conference, and some of the speakers were saying that they think the only solution, the only ultimate outcome, is going to be a conflict that leads to division of territory within Europe with Muslim and non-Muslim enclaves," he says.

The result, says Spencer, is that Europe could wind up like Israel with its Palestinian problem. "The problem is much further down the road for us [in America]," he adds. "We don't have that kind of Muslim population; but we need to face the fact that there is no clear delineation within the Muslim community, either in America or in Europe, between moderates and extremists."

Supposed "moderate" Muslims, he asserts, have done nothing to defuse the extremism found in the Muslim population. "The moderates, so-called, do not expel the extremists from their communities, [and] they don't root them out," he states. "They're not cooperating, for the most part, with law enforcement officials in anti-terror efforts -- and we have to face the implications of that."

Spencer says even though the Muslim percentage in the United States is relatively small, it is clear that "moderate" Muslims on American soil are not eager to help deal with their radical brethren either.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: eurabia; europe; muslims
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To: Cedar
They've been infiltrating these countries and settling into enclaves for 30+ years - they just beginning to notice?
41 posted on 03/16/2006 10:32:46 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: Major_Risktaker

Am I drunk or is that only 4 toes?

42 posted on 03/16/2006 10:33:57 PM PST by sagar
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Exactly.

Why is the "only" solution to give them "enclaves?"

How about deportation?

"Enclaves" is exactly what the Muslims want now...and they won't stop with a few here and there after a while.


43 posted on 03/16/2006 10:33:57 PM PST by Sometimes A River (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46031)
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To: Cedar
We haven't heard much muslim outcry in the U.S. denouncing the terrorists, wouldn't you agree?

Absolutely.

44 posted on 03/16/2006 11:40:32 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Is tractus pro pensio.)
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To: A Jovial Cad

just because I can't present a single concrete specimen that fits that bill, you really, really, really just have to believe me! They're out there! Scouts honor! Cross my heart hope to die!

I'd edit out that last line of yours, if I were you. As you might get your wish. Hehehehehe.


45 posted on 03/16/2006 11:48:39 PM PST by flaglady47
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To: vpintheak
Where is Charles Martel when most needed - again.


46 posted on 03/17/2006 12:27:56 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free - never)
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To: Cedar
I do not know this source but the guy who wrote this has simply a limited knowledge about history and the situation.

"Bulgaria and Russia, says IslamicPopulation.com, are even higher (12 and 19 percent, respectively). And in Southern Europe, there are considerably higher percentages in Macedonia (30), Bosnia Herzegovina (60), and Albania (70)."

These countries are muslim countries like Albania and Bosnia Herzegovina or have muslim regions like russia bulgaria and macedonia. These regions or countries have never been christian and it is not a question of immigration. Some parts of europe have always been muslim since the middle age and other formally muslim regions have become christian now like southern spain.

The only "real" example is france but also here we have the consequences from being a colonial power for centuries in north africa.

Even germany with huge immigration from Turkey in the 50s and 60s has a muslim population from about 3% and this number is not really increasing.
47 posted on 03/17/2006 1:32:06 AM PST by stefan10
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To: Cedar

bookmark


48 posted on 03/17/2006 1:42:58 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Cedar
It does seem drastic, but wonder what other solution would work?

Something more final perhaps?

49 posted on 03/17/2006 2:52:59 AM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: Cedar

One could envision a line of demarcation consisting of the coastline of continental Europe. Islam: inside; all others, outside.


50 posted on 03/17/2006 3:28:54 AM PST by Erasmus (Eat beef. Someone has to control the cow population!)
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To: Thud
Especially if they get the part west of the Rhine too.

For which they seem to have an alsatiable appetite.

(groaannnn!)

51 posted on 03/17/2006 3:34:48 AM PST by Erasmus (Eat beef. Someone has to control the cow population!)
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To: Cedar

Muslim enclave = fire base


52 posted on 03/17/2006 3:49:40 AM PST by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Cedar

The following is a description (slightly modified) from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat. www.frontline.org.za/books_videos/sti.htm

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness.

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs [Europe, Australia, USA and Japan]. Six percent of US prison inmates are Muslim. Like any other minority, they won’t integrate, but work to build their own separate community.

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. South Africa's Muslim population is 2%, but they control 35% of the businesses, a large percentage of the banks and have five Cabinet seats while Christians (77% of the population) have none.

They will push for the introduction of halaal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves (along with threats for failure to comply).

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia; Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world, but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. (Ei: car-burnings in France last October.) Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats.

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning (India, Mindanao, Philippines).

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare [Indonesia].

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya (infidel tax). (Sudan, Kosovo, Lebanon and Egypt).

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide [Western Papua (New Guinea), Iran, Biafra, Turkey and North Nigeria].

100% will usher in the peace of "Dar-es-Salaam" - House of Peace - as in Saudi Arabia, Libya and Yemen.

THE U. S. IS AT 2% NOW


53 posted on 03/17/2006 3:53:03 AM PST by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: vpintheak
re :The lack of any real men in Europe is having an effect.

Compared to the fat American key board commando knacker who sits at home in front of his PC munching takeout sipping Cola while wearing his Walmart Cammoes.

54 posted on 03/17/2006 3:57:45 AM PST by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: Cedar
re :The director of the group Jihad Watch says things have gotten so bad in Europe that the only solution to the Islamic problem might be to divide the continent into Muslim and non-Muslim enclaves.

Why is it that on this subject the only individuals that people believe is some small publicity hungry Muslim group, made up of wannerbee soldiers and commandos but too weedy and nerdy to do anything about it.

55 posted on 03/17/2006 3:59:21 AM PST by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: JCEccles
"Think of it this way: the appallingly low birth rates of non-Muslim Europeans is equivalent to the defeat and annihilation of million man non-Muslim European armies in the cultural war between Islam and the west."

Actually, Western Culture has always depended upon technological advantage, and superior firepower, rather than sheer numbers to advance and defend itself.

56 posted on 03/17/2006 6:15:54 AM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: georgia2006

True, but it doesn't hurt to treat the painful symptoms while dealing directly with the disease.


57 posted on 03/17/2006 6:37:49 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free
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To: karnage

So you better get to the range ;)


58 posted on 03/17/2006 7:05:09 AM PST by kerryusama04 (The Bill of Rights is not occupation specific.)
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To: blam

dhimmi tax


59 posted on 03/17/2006 7:40:14 AM PST by Flavius Josephus (War today is always cheaper than war tomorrow.)
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To: Travis McGee

Here's mine (it's my tagline): War today is always cheaper than war tomorrow.

My former tagline was the following:

The Only Good Muslim Is A Bad Muslim.


60 posted on 03/17/2006 7:43:27 AM PST by Flavius Josephus (War today is always cheaper than war tomorrow.)
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