Posted on 03/14/2006 5:58:55 PM PST by Louisiana
Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen?
Consider this:
Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.
Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically, no, because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Intellectually, no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically, no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co - exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually, no, because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as our heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both good Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country.
Sorry to butt in on a cult of personality. When I attended elementary school in California, we recited a pledge of allegiance to the United States of America. Not John F. Kennedy, not Lyndon B. Johnson, and not Richard M. Nixon. Our children recite the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance, AND the Texas Pledge of Allegiance in school. They are aware of Ronald Reagan, George H. Bush, Slick Willie the Impeached, and George W. Bush. They do not worship any of these men.
Speaking for myself, I try to cut people on Free Republic a little slack because I can understand why they are concerned and feel threatened by militant Muslims. Other Muslims feel threatened by them, too. They are certainly dangerous. That said, the libertarians here like to talk about sacrificing liberty for security. I'd like to see some people talk about sacrificing one's compassion and understanding of others for security, too.
If you look at the articles on stereotype accuracy that I posted above (they point out that stereotypes can be reasonable and useful), you'll see some points about how reasonable people use stereotypes such that they are useful and not necessarily bigoted. That said, I think they also paint a pretty clear line between a reasonable stereotype and bigotry. If you try to claim that every member of a stereotyped category fits the stereotypes perfectly or refuse to adjust your stereotypes for individuals based on their personal differences from the stereotype, I think you've crossed the line. It's one thing to say that militant Muslims who want to destroy the United States can't be negotiated with. It's quite another thing to say that all Muslims, including women, children, and men just trying to live their lives and provide for their families, can't be negotiated with and are all horrible people, especially just because one has decided to accept Osama bin Laden's definition of what a good Muslim is.
Then your friend is NOT a good muslim because instructions to both points are in the koran. Islam means submission, specifically submission to the will of allah and the 'will' of allah is spelled out in excruciating detail in the koran. Everything...from what to eat and how to take a crap. And that's the point...to be a good muslim one must live in strict accordance with the koran and doing taht would rule out the possiblity of being a 'good' anything else.
God, Country, Mother, and Others.
Nyet.
Nein.
Muslims owe allegiance to their moon-god and to Muftihamhanded or whatever the hell he called himself.
They also owe allegiance to Sharia.
I ain't figured out who she was yet, but I know whatever she did isn't in our best interests.
No such thing as a patriotic American muslim.
Just my opinion, mind you.
LOL ;o),
. 'When I attended elementary school in California, we recited a pledge of allegiance to the United States of America.'
You are right, I shouldn't call names, and I apologize.
All that does is cause more strife, instead of getting anywhere in discussions.
The naive trust in people belonging to a culture, and religion, that promotes LYING to outsiders scares the hell out of me!
Your fear is understandable but it doesn't warrant an unreasonable response. Unfiltered fear often does not lead to rational decisions, whether it's the libertarian complaint about sacrificing liberty for security or lynchings and other fear-driven violence. How many Sikhs were beaten up by fearful Americans after 9/11 and they aren't even Muslim, simply because they wear turbans?
How can ANYONE deal with a culture , and religion, that has duplicity at its core?
There are liars and honest people in all cultures. How do you deal with the fact that anyone you meet might be a liar or criminal? More Americans are murdered by other Americans than Muslims. And plenty of the American children who are molested are molested by trusted family members. How do you know someone in your own family isn't a Karla Homolka or Ted Bundy? Do you really think Christianity is a reliable vaccine for sociopathy?
More suspicion, and less trust, and we wouldn't have had 9-11.
More suspicion is certainly reasonable. Paranoia isn't.
In a nation specifically tailored by law to accept people of every faith, people of every faith end up sacrificing when it comes to allegiances. There are certain things my country does that are not at all in accord with what I believe, and that is putting it mildly. I do not for that reason seek to destroy my own country but to persude my neighbor that it is in the best interest of us all to adhere to certain principles. Those principles are chiefly related to what Christians call the "second table of the law," which in turn is best summarized by the golden rule.
I hear ya, but the original question was about "loyalty and "patriotism."
The Founders have already spoken on the matter, and American Christians by and large have followed suit.
????? You win the incoherent post of the day!
No and your post proves it.
I also know several patriotic muslims. Some of the Islamofacists might say thay are apostates and don't count, but I take them at face value.
Sorry folks, not yet ready to brand American muslims as traitors out of hand. I know a few.
Most Christians do not kill people based on their religious beliefs. Some Muslims do kill people, and cite passages in the Koran to justify their actions.
As an aside ponder these items:
The Koran states that Abraham, Moses and Jesus of the bible were Muslims. Quite a feat since Islam was founded 600+ years after Jesus was born. But that is OK since Islam's "prophet" Mohammed says the Koran was written before Abraham, and even Adam & Eve were born, The Koran was not written down in words until 300+ years after Mohammed died. Prior to that time it was related verbally from memory. Also conveniently omitted from the Koran are the Ten Commandments, which makes the story of Moses in the Bible completely false.
There is no verifiable evidence to determine that events described in the Koran are accurate. There are thousands of historical documents and other evidence validating events, dates, names and places in the Bible.
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