Posted on 03/14/2006 1:37:33 PM PST by joyspring777
Of the three intellectual pillars of modern liberalism -- Marx, Darwin, and Freud -- only one is still standing. Marx fell in 1989, along with the Berlin Wall. Freud's demise is more difficult to date; suffice it to say that, by the end of the century, no one, with the possible exception of Woody Allen, took him seriously any more. Darwin, I predict, will suffer a similar fate within the next ten to fifteen years.
That may seem counterintuitive in light of recent legal and public-relations setbacks suffered by critics of Darwinism -- notably a federal judge's decision forbidding the teaching of "Intelligent Design" (a term for one aspect of the anti-Darwin critique) in Dover, Pa., public schools. But it is a sign of weakness, not strength, when one side in an ostensibly scientific debate resorts to silencing the other. If the case for Darwin is such a slam-dunk, why not welcome the chance for its opponents to make fools of themselves?
No, Darwinists are running scared. Even their attempts to declare victory on scientific grounds betray more than a whiff of desperation. Case in point: the year-end edition of the journal Science hailing "evolution in action" as its "Breakthrough of the Year." Among the "dramatic discoveries" said by the magazine to make 2005 "a banner year for uncovering the intricacies of how evolution actually proceeds," none in itself demonstrates whether evolution proceeds, and they only shed light on how if you first assume that it does.
Here, for instance, is Science editor Donald Kennedy describing "one of my favorites" in this evidentiary explosion: "the European blackcap, a species of warbler that spends the winter in two separate places but then reunites to breed, with birds selecting mates from those who shared the same wintering ground. Assortative mating of this kind can produce a gradual differentiation of the two populations. Biologists have shown that new species can arise because of geographic barriers that separate subpopulations, but the divergent evolution shown in this case could result in new species arising within a single range."
If it seems that the bare facts adduced here don't quite amount to a clear instance of "evolution in action," that's because they don't. At best, they demonstrate what's known as "microevolution" -- modification within a species -- which no anti-Darwinist disputes. What is disputed is "macroevolution," the change of one species into another, which is the central claim of Darwinism. If macroevolution occurs, the "assortative mating" of the European blackcap might help to explain how it works, but it does nothing to prove that it does occur.
The fact is,nothing proves that macroevolution occurs, or ever has occurred. And, at a certain point, the absence of proof, especially where it ought to be abundant, constitutes, if not positive disproof, at least strong reasons for doubt. According to Darwin's theory of descent through gradual modification (by way of random mutation and natural selection), the fossil record should contain near-infinite numbers of ever-so-slightly-different "transitional" forms, and even greater numbers of evolutionary dead ends. Despite the best efforts of archaeologists, not even a hint of that has materialized in the fossil record. Instead, what we should not expect to find, according to Darwin's theory, is what we do find: the sudden appearance of innumerable distinct species, as we have in the so-called Cambrian Explosion.
Needless to say, a debate like this can't be settled in the space of a column. Neither, however, can it be settled by shutting out the other side. Darwinists, of course, would have us believe that there is no other side, only a bunch of anti-science religious fanatics who don't deserve to be heard. That approach can succeed, but not for long. As I say, I give them fifteen years, tops.
I couldn't agree more.
And remember, these are the folks who want to try to "teach" science class...
I do have to correct one minor error in your post, though -- while it's true that the "ID" folks have no positive evidence, no original research, and no research findings in their favor, they have managed to get "a single peer-reviewed article" published in a non-creationist journal (the 2004 Stephen Meyer paper), but that's *one* published paper compared to literally hundreds of thousands (for certain -- perhaps millions) of published journal articles for evolutionary biology.
And the Meyer paper was a) severely flawed, b) just a review anyway, not a report of new findings, and c) published in an obscure journal that doesn't in any way specialize in anything approaching the topic of evolution or ID; normally it covers just taxonomy and other kinds of classification. A good introduction to the flaws in the Meyer paper can be found here, and at the very least the conclusion deserves to be read carefully:
"There is nothing wrong with challenging conventional wisdom continuing challenge is a core feature of science. But challengers should at least be aware of, read, cite, and specifically rebut the actual data that supports conventional wisdom, not merely construct a rhetorical edifice out of omission of relevant facts, selective quoting, bad analogies, knocking down strawmen, and tendentious interpretations. Unless and until the intelligent design movement does this, they are not seriously in the game. Theyre not even playing the same sport."Exactly.
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thanks jenny.
I can see the point.
You would have to define, at some point, when a species became a different species.
"most creationists claim that the apes represent a macro-difference to humans"
then obviously they'd have a hard time justifying a non-macro evolutionary evidence with the fossils.
However, if they're not macro, different species, then no.
So, piling the micros end-to-end, somewhere you cross a macro line.
If you looked for the extreme, avoided the ape-human species question all together, then surely there is a line somewhere, all could agree is a different species - not even an ape for example.
I'd be interested if that kind of linkage is well established in the fossil record in your opinion.
If you, or others, have time, I'd also very much appreciate a response to the article's point about the Cambrian explosion. That has always puzzled me. The upside down tree diagram of species, and the explosion in general.
thanks for your reply..
Thanks for the correction. Will take a look at the link with interest.
I'm gonna agree and disagree with your post.
We shouldnt cut off the debate.
However a large part of the debate involves science and religion.
When the religionists deduce science, they're in error. And when the scientists infer religion, they're in error.
Seeing the difference between the two errors, and avoiding them would greatly help.
And that should be part of the debate.
Wishful thinking from the creationist nitwits.
As are English, algebra, history, chemistry,....
Should we stop teaching history because a political pressure group prefers Afrocentric fantasies?
Should we stop teaching English grammar because some students are from Ebonic speaking families?
Should Christian Scientist children be excused from biology class because the lesson of the day is the germ theory of disease?
But it does require people to have a reverence for science.
Is that just your opinion or can you back it up? I don't think you can substantiate this statement.
Science is a methodology. As such all it can 'require' of people is that they adhere to the methodology if they want to call their theories scientific.
I think the rest is a product of your imagination because you don't like some things scientists say.
BTW, I don't even consider the so-called social science to be sciences. They've hijacked the term. They have overstepped and overreached and have contributed to giving science a bad name in some people minds.
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Massive posts doesn't make you right. I can throw pages of dogma at you as well. Doesn't make me right.
If you people are so convinced you are right. Why stifle one side of the debate?
Easy answer
You're ignorant about the facts of your case and you know that you don't have a leg to stand on.
See? I can be insulting to you too.
What makes your views irrelevant is that you have nothing of substance to argue against the massive posts.
What you fail to address is that Ichneumon's "massive" posts are just brief digests of what is available. There are millions of pages of research supporting evolution. What you see here isn't even the tip of the iceberg.
The only one being belligerent are the one's calling names like 5 year olds on a playground.
You have tried to silence debate each and everytime the topic comes up, so don't sit there and lie and say your side doesn't. They do, ALL of the time. The case in the Federal Court proves that.
If you are so convinced of your intellectual superiority, then let ID be taught in school as an alternative to evolution. As a theory (which is what evolution is by the way, it's not fact).
Until then you are being disingenuous to sit there and say your side does not try to stifle the other side in the debate.
Agreed
So again the question.
If you are so convinced of the correctness of your position.
Why cut off one side of the debate?
Don't try to hit me with your alleged intellectual superiority, I'm not some spring chicken. Answer the question.
Relax, You'll evolve.
But God don't make no junk.
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