Posted on 03/14/2006 1:43:37 AM PST by Dyaus Pitar
"We are it" for Greco-Roman in the way that the Japanese "are it" for the Chinese.
I believe 100 years from now Chinese civilization will be fully merged to Greco-Roman, religion and literature aside. Just look at how westernized the Japanese are. The "Japanese" aspects of Japanese culture are all superficial now.
Yes nice analogy, the Sun and the Moon.
As I understand it they need to build a Carrier Group.
Do they have the experience and technology to build and sail a Carrier, to operate a Carrier Group.
Carriers may give you good long range punching but they are expensive and complicated to operate.
I think it will take the Chinese Navy a long time before they can get together a group and have the operational experience to get anything out of it.
As a pongo that is my view any Navy guys bare this out.
China has the patience to sit back and wait for the US to destroy itself from within. One that happens they'll be sitting pretty for world dominance.
China is in excellent shape to dominate the Pacific Rim, which is thier immedate goal. All they have to do is take Tiawan, any way they can.
Marxism was a Western idea heh.
Observing Chinese immigrants in the US made me feel that they can adapt very easily to our way of life. It seems the issues in China arise mainly because they are poor, not because of overriding cultural barriers. I'm from the Oklahoma and Texas area, so I see first generation Chinese immigrants living in the suburbs, and blending in very well with western society. Their kids assimilate quite easily. You will never see Chinese, Japanese and Hindus rioting on the streets like the muslims in Europe.
Muslims still wear traditional clothes. Many Indians do too. But you ever see a Chinese or Japanese in traditional clothing? I haven't.... It's almost like they have accepted Western superiority. "Can't beat them, join them."
"And jpsb clearly doesn't understand the concept of substantiating claims with fact"
Just as an example, imaging a chicom fleet of carriers in twenty or so years from now approaching our shores. Let us say ten carriers, ok? With satellite tracking, we would know within ten yards their precise location. With missile technology advances, those carriers can be sunk easily 3,000 miles from our shores. Imagine a Peacekeeper missile with advanced high explosives and an active tracking system. Ergo, the carrier is useless for major type conflicts among major powers. Regionally, against under teched opponents, ok, it will still have its place for a few decades more.
Well, he can read the dialect of the village that he came from. He probably can't read the one from 100 miles away.
Does that mean that "China" doesn't exist and there are really about 300 little "civilizations" that currently occupy what we think of as China?
Your point is taken that there isn't 15-40K years of Native American culture. But likewise, there isn't 5000 years of continuous Chinese culture either. They've been invaded, subjugated, subdivided, revolutioned and imperialised many, many times in the last 5000 years.
The most current version of what we call China is 60 years old. Mao put his stamp on the culture of that country. If you dropped of a time traveler from 1930 into the China of today he'd be lost. Actually, he'd probably open his mouth and be shot as a counter-revolutionary.
Maybe they can buy that carrier the Froggie's built not too long ago.
A single carrier is a nice toy, but in itself, it's not much of a threat.
The USN needs three carriers, three air wings and anywhere from 20 to 25 smaller ships to keep one carrier battle group deployed overseas at once.
They rotate. One carrier is standing down for maintenance and crew leave/rest, another is in coastal American waters working up, training, getting ready to deploy, and the third is actually deployed.
Wierd how secretive they are being...only Panda Huggers would ever think they developed a carrier-capable naval squadron of jets...with no carrier planned for them. The Varyag can be seen from their highways, and is in PLAN navy colors. It's in dry-dock now.
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