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Media shockingly ignorant of Muslims among us (Steyn)
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 03/12/06 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 03/12/2006 5:57:00 AM PST by aynrandfreak

This week's Voldemort Award goes to the New York Times for their account of a curious case of road rage in North Carolina:

"The man charged with nine counts of attempted murder for driving a Jeep through a crowd at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill last Friday told the police that he deliberately rented a four-wheel-drive vehicle so he could 'run over things and keep going.' "

The driver in question was Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar.

Whoa, don't jump to conclusions. The Times certainly didn't. As the report continued:

"According to statements taken by the police, Mr. Taheri-azar, 22, an Iranian-born graduate of the university, felt that the United States government had been 'killing his people across the sea' and that his actions reflected 'an eye for an eye.'"

"His people"? And who exactly would that be? Taheri-azar is admirably upfront about his actions. As he told police, he wanted to "avenge the deaths or murders of Muslims around the world."

And yet the M-word appears nowhere in the Times report. Whether intentionally or not, they seem to be channeling the great Sufi theologian and jurist al-Ghazali, who died a millennium ago but whose first rule on the conduct of dhimmis -- non-Muslims in Muslim society -- seem to have been taken on board by the Western media:

The dhimmi is obliged not to mention Allah or His Apostle. . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at suntimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; US: North Carolina; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: culturalsuicide; islamofascism; marksteyn; msm; muslims; nothermterrorist; steyn; taheriazar; uncch; west
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To: hosepipe
The rest or bad muslims are simply TIME BOMBS or enablers.

Or simply innocent people who find no sympathy among Christians like many of those here on Free Republic and feel threatened by those who are fanatics. Perhaps they are bad Muslims. I would argue that the vast majority of Christians and Jews are bad members of their faiths, by the standards of the orthodox versions of those faiths, as well. That doesn't really matter to me. What matters to me is that they are guilty of no crime and it's no crime to follow a religion that's wrong or to do so badly.

81 posted on 03/12/2006 12:10:47 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Nathan Zachary
You sure don't know much about Islam, do you.

And your qualifications are?

ALL (read ALL) Muslims are bound to practice Jihad. You don't have to go out and kill infidels to practice jihad, it has many forms.

Yes. And Christians and Jews are bound to do all sorts of things (e.g., not divorce except for infidelity, not to eat pork). Do you know how many divorced Catholics I know? Do you have any idea of how many Jews I know who eat pork? Muslims are people just like Christians and Jews are. Really. Try talking to some. And they are free to interpret Jihad in ways far less malicious than the options you offered.

Please note that I'm not claiming that Muslim fanatics are not a problem or a threat. Clearly they are. I'm claiming that all Muslims are not fanatics nor fanatics in training. Some are just people trying to live their lives in peace.

82 posted on 03/12/2006 12:19:19 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: observer5
Where are the mainstream American papers publishing the Muhammed cartoons? They are affraid of the nuts, just like everyone else is. Where where most of the Christians in Nazi Germany when Hitler and his boys rounded up the Jews? Where were most of the Christians while blacks were being lynched? Where were most of the real Christians during the Spanish Inquisition or the Thirty Years War or the Sack of Constantinople?
83 posted on 03/12/2006 12:26:14 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions

We're praying dissident Iranians find the courage and wherewithal to overthrow the current regime. This am, C-Span replayed a Wed. broadcast of a riveting House committee hearing on Iran and nukes. Michael LeDeen and several other professors testified.

I believe LeDeen's testimony was discussed on FR a few days ago, but I missed it, so was fascinated this am. There's probably a relevant thread on it, etc.. LeDeen, having been involved in helping to bring down the Russian regime during the Reagan years, is an expert on what it takes to accomplish this. (Not as much as you'd think.) Money, arms, know-how, news from the free world, the knowledge that the US will stand with them and help, no matter what, and approx. three weeks' food supply. Among the bits and pieces: Iranian mullahs are so hated by the populace that they take off their turbans when waiting for a ride, or taxi-drivers won't pick them up. All the panelists urged our ambassador to Iran to speak out publicly for the overthrow of the regime.


84 posted on 03/12/2006 12:37:36 PM PST by hershey
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To: Ninian Dryhope
You can make the Bible say just about anything by taking single passages out of context and I'm sure you can do the same with the Quran. The question is whether those passages can only be read a single way and I've seen evidence that they can be read as being applicable to the specific historical context that they came from rather than as general rules for modern living, must as the Jewish law calls for the death pentalty for all sorts of offenses yet modern Jews and Christians do not normally support the death penalty in those cases.

Even if Islam did, without question, demand that Muslims kill or convert infidels, that does not necessarily matter any more, in the case of a particular person who calls themself a Muslim, than Judaism's prohibition on eating pork matters to individuals who call themselves Jews. Plenty of people who call themselves Jews eat pork. Plenty of people who call themselves Muslims don't want to kill infidels.

85 posted on 03/12/2006 12:42:10 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: hershey
We're praying dissident Iranians find the courage and wherewithal to overthrow the current regime.

As am I. Because if they don't, as I've said in other threads, I don't think that a nuclear exchange with Israel is out of the question and, if that happens and draws in the entire region, 100 million could wind up dead as a result and Mecca could be reduced to a smoldering crater. I think that's possible and if we get nuked, I'm all for shooting back with a massive retaliation. I just don't consider it desirable. And ignoring the moderate Muslims who could provide another path to peace is not a good thing in my opinion. They do exist, contrary to what may Freepers seem to think.

86 posted on 03/12/2006 12:45:15 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions
[ That doesn't really matter to me. What matters to me is that they are guilty of no crime and it's no crime to follow a religion that's wrong or to do so badly. ]

Obviously you're oblivious to the Qu'ran or Hadiths which are the source of the Qu'ran.. What I mean is, clueless, as to what those volumns specify.. Islam preaches and by the way practices for 1426 odd years now Charles Mansoneque social ordering.. Helter Skelter with a rag top.. The Persians in Persia and Copts in Egypt were and are being raped by Islam.. And they are just two in a long list of the abused people.. Islam is nasty.. even the of Islam is nasty..

87 posted on 03/12/2006 12:56:16 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Popman
I thought the reference was to the evil slimeball Lord Voldemort.
88 posted on 03/12/2006 1:02:02 PM PST by Ragnar54
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To: Ragnar54
This week's Voldemort Award goes to the New York Times for their account of a curious case of road rage in North Carolina:

Based on the context of the reference: Voldemort'= flight from death (French) seems to be what Steyn was trying to say. NYT running away from the obvious point. Islam means death, but they are running away from the obvious fact.

But I certainly could be wrong.

89 posted on 03/12/2006 1:20:38 PM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: Question_Assumptions
The 20 percent overlaps the 40 percent? How do you figure that? Muslims are killers. It is in the koran, kill infedels or covert them or make then pay tribute to muslims and pay homage to them. This is all I need to know. You are fooling yourselve, or you are a muslim that wants to make excuses for the murderous cult that passes itself off as a ROP. It is not a religion of peace nor has it ever been.

We are in a fight to the death and I intend that the one dying is not me.

90 posted on 03/12/2006 1:29:14 PM PST by calex59 (seeing the light shouldn't make you go blind and, BTW, Stå sammen med danskerne !)
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To: Popman
I think that your analysis is valid (that is probably the origin of the name of the Harry Potter character). However, consider this (from the Wikipedia article):

Voldemort is so feared in the Wizarding world that his name is considered to be ineffable. Most characters refer to him as "You-Know-Who" or "He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named" rather than say his name aloud.
91 posted on 03/12/2006 1:34:46 PM PST by Ragnar54
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To: Question_Assumptions
Where where most of the Christians in Nazi Germany when Hitler and his boys rounded up the Jews?

Many of them were in fact running underground railroads to get Jews out of Germany. Many more were getting themselves and their families out of Germany. There was plenty of disagreement in Germany, up to the point where Hilter had enough power to stomp it out.

But that's not the point. This isn't about backslidden muslims being some "silent majority". Mainly the silence of so-called "mainstream" Islam comes from there being, in fact, no main stream. There is no authority that can or will speak for islam writ large. The ones that do presume to speak out are the arrogant ones that have fully found the dark side and the power it brings. They are the extreme Mullahs.

The problem is that the extreme mullahs have it right. That is... that in its fundamental form islam is everything they say it is and they cannot really be countermanded by other muslims. Those other muslims have no islamic grounds on which to silence them.

Our mission, for now, is to fight and kill as many of the extremists as we can, while hoping that as many of the "other" muslims stay out of the fray. Ultimately we will have to confront the rest of the muslim world with the lie that is their religion, but perhaps not now.

92 posted on 03/12/2006 1:47:05 PM PST by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1100 knives and counting!)
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To: cloud8
Thank you for your input and I am pleased that it supports, rather than contradicts, my understanding of the "dhimmitude" practice that I outlined in my original posting.
93 posted on 03/12/2006 1:59:42 PM PST by finnigan2
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To: Question_Assumptions
there are plenty of Muslims who aren't out to kill infidels and just want to live their lives in peace and prosperity.

They are called heretics. And that is why they get killed right along with the infidels, by the Muslims who follow the religion as written. - tom

94 posted on 03/12/2006 2:18:01 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Savage Beast

There ought to be a real concerted campaign just to keep track of every Times' rhetoric that undermines America, our defenses, our culture and our society. It would be a breath-taking best seller on its own list!!


95 posted on 03/12/2006 3:05:51 PM PST by phillyfanatic
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To: phillyfanatic

The wonder is that anyone still reads that rag. Oops! I forgot--Democrats! The S&M Party (sociopaths and morons).


96 posted on 03/12/2006 3:21:56 PM PST by Savage Beast (Do not refer to Leftists as "Liberals"--there's nothing liberal about those people.)
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To: aynrandfreak

To acknowlege the problem, the MSM would be helping out the Bush Administration.

No way they are going to do this. They will got to their deaths, helping the Democrats mislead the general public.

Reason....power.


97 posted on 03/12/2006 3:29:30 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Shooter1001

"I'm sure he isn't paying for it either. "

Right, that was my question in the first place.


98 posted on 03/12/2006 3:45:03 PM PST by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: Shooter1001
>>We need the book; Dhimmis for Dummies.

Ahem.


99 posted on 03/12/2006 3:47:19 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Shooter1001
Also see here, and click on the image.
100 posted on 03/12/2006 3:49:48 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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