Posted on 03/03/2006 11:37:56 AM PST by Rebeleye
The removal of the Confederate flag from Amherst County's official seal has upset Southern heritage groups, who contend residents weren't told of the change. County officials acknowledge the image was quietly removed in August 2004 to avoid an uproar.
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you've now surpassed yourself for DUMB & IGNORANT comments!
do you REALLY believe that HATE-filled, arrogantly ignorant,NONSENSE???
or do you HOPE that somebody/anybody who reads it is that DUMB & ILLITERATE???
free dixie,sw
"You've been here long enough to know that we expect a more reasoned reply than that."
Which reply would that be and why should I bother to live up to your standards?
for starters, a MILLION people would not have died in a needLESS, IMPERIALIST war!
free dixie,sw
I conclude, therefore, that every particle of authority which originally resided either in Congress, or in any branch of the state governments, was derived from the people who were permanent inhabitants of each province in the first instance, and afterwards became citizens of each state; that this authority was conveyed by each body politic separately, and not by all the people in the several provinces, or states, jointly, and of course, that no authority could be conveyed to the whole, but that which previously was possessed by the several parts; that the distinction between a state and the people of a state has in this respect no foundation, each expression in substance meaning the same thing.
Justice James Iredell, Penhallow v. Doane's Administrators, 3 Dall. 54, 94 (1795)
In Virginia, a resolution has to be voted on in open session even if it's discussed in closed session (I can't imagine how this could have been legally discussed in closed session under state laws). All votes are recorded in the minutes, and an online search (www.countyofamherst.com) shows they did indeed approve a redesign of the seal "as proposed" in August 2004. Minutes would not normally record the discussion, if any. The vote was 5-0.
I don't doubt they did keep it as quiet as possible, though. It's a fairly common tactic on boards and councils throughout the state on any number of issues. Heck, the General Assembly started killing things in subcommittees (??) this year partly so they wouldn't have to dicuss some of them so publicly. Supposedly they did this to make things "more efficient."
"terms of art" in history/historiography have WELL-understood & FIXED meanings.
REVISIONIST/REVISIONISM is ONE of those "terms of art".
REVISIONIST historiography came out of the MOST extreme, south-HATING,LEFTIST/SOCIALIST (some would say COMMUNIST), lunatic fringe of northeastern "poison ivy league" academia in the mid-1960s.
southerners & most INTELLIGENT folk are NOT revisionists, but rather traditionalists, when it comes to history.
btw, MOST REVISIONISTS also HATE the USA & all that the USA stands for in the modern world.
free dixie,sw
free dixie,sw
I agree. They stated that their ratification was dependent upon their ratifying statement ('by these presents'). ONLY if that is true is their ratification valid. If true, their ratification was valid, and the states retained the right to unilaterally resume their delegated powers at will.
If not true, then their ratification was null and void.
AFTER their ratification came SUGGESTED/proposed amendments to the Constitution.
Thank you sir.
Any disdain from you is highly pleasing. Thanks.
What does butternut squash bisque taste like?
Imagine a defender of the Rule of the Whip and the Lash speaking of someone else being "stupid" Lol.
On the north ridge sir, facing the hostiles!
i do NOT like BIGOTS or FOOLS of any persuasion.
free dixie,sw
free dixie,sw
Why not the beginning of that war? Whatever happened after 1861, the country wasn't going to be the same. If you had two hostile countries here, arming themselves against each other, one of them doing all it could to keep a slave population in chains, you'd certainly see more powerful governments on our continent.
However, Lincoln opened the door to Big Government interference.
I don't know about that. Was the hand of government offensively heavy on Americans in the late 19th century? We didn't have an income tax or very much federal regulation or control until Wilson and FDR. And realistically, could we have kept government on all levels as small as it was in the early 19th century forever? Isn't it possible that new technologies and population growth inevitably bring some growth of government?
Some would debate whether government really was that weak in the early 19th century. Could we have a Fugitive Slave Act or the forced removal of people from one part of the country today? Power still had a way of pressing down on people even before the Civil War, despite small government budgets and less federal interference in individuals' affairs.
To be blunt, the South's ideas about states rights (which is what the war was really fought over, that and economic reasons) were dead-on correct and inline with what the Founders believed.
George Washington wanted a stronger federal government than what existed under the Articles of Confederation. So did Adams and Hamilton, Madison and Jay. Even Jefferson did. They certainly wanted a nation that was more than "a collection of semi-independent states." The founders may not have wanted what we have today, but to assume that they'd have supported the rebels of 1861 is a stretch.
You'd also certainly get an argument about what the war was fought over. It's a complex question, but "economic reasons" very much included the defense of slavery, and "state's rights" looks a bit like an evasive formalism -- slaveowners weren't very solicitous of the "rights" of free states to make their own laws regarding runaways. You can turn every war into a war for "rights" of one sort or another, but that's not looking very deep, especially in this case.
The South may have lost the war, but everybody lost the peace. It just took us 100 years to realize it.
If you want to take the view that a utopia was lost in 1865 it would be hard to convince you, but I'd have to say that some people did win the peace. Freed slaves certainly did. And the country as a whole benefited by putting slavery behind us. Certainly it would have been better had the changes come without war, but we didn't lose the peace.
The problem with your statement is that you really don't look into the other side of the coin: you don't consider just how free and unfree we'd be if the Confederacy had prevailed. It's easy to come up with a snap judgment if you don't consider the alternatives.
The truth is that nobody in here knows what would've really happened if the South had won the civil war. And there is no possible way to know.
Of course, nobody knows. But it's pretty irritating to hear people say that we'd have all the good things we have now -- and then some -- if only the rebels had had their way. That's as much an unsupported conclusion as anything anyone else has said. It's also unhistorical.
Given that we don't know, we might take Confederate leaders at their word about slavery, rather than assume (as some people do) that they were closet abolitionists who would get naturally rid of slavery and its legacy "over time."
We might recognize that you can't "have it all" in political life. There would have been a real downside to giving into the rebels. It's simply not the case that we can blithely assume that we would have been freer in all things if not for Lincoln. There are some obvious ways in which many of us most likely would have been less free.
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=butternut+squash&btnG=Google+Search
mognon = mignon. Jeeeez.
Your reply of "Crap." at post #53
and why should I bother to live up to your standards?
No particular reason. As I spent most of my childhood in Beaufort, I was hoping you had a more articulate defense of your position.
I see I was hoping for far, far too much from you...
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