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Four Myths About Living Together Without Marriage
Human Events ^ | Mar 01, 2006 | Janice Shaw Crouse

Posted on 03/01/2006 7:09:06 AM PST by ZGuy

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To: linda_22003
Are you saying women will avoid voting for Hillary!™? I don't think that's a given, at ALL.
421 posted on 03/02/2006 1:05:24 PM PST by null and void (I nominate Sept 11th: "National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval". - Mr. Rational, paraphrased)
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To: John O

Thanks! We're getting married next fall. Too far off for both of us.


422 posted on 03/02/2006 1:05:44 PM PST by JenB
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To: John O

It was rather tempting, especially following so closely on the heels of your post(s) about getting back into the pool...


423 posted on 03/02/2006 1:07:39 PM PST by null and void (I nominate Sept 11th: "National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval". - Mr. Rational, paraphrased)
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To: null and void

I don't know it's even a "given" that she'll be the nominee!


424 posted on 03/02/2006 1:10:23 PM PST by linda_22003
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To: null and void

It is better to have been accused of love than to never have ... loved ... not loved ... been accused of love ... without ...

* my head hurts *


425 posted on 03/02/2006 1:15:58 PM PST by nteres
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To: TAdams8591

The reason courtship suggests no physical involvement is mostly because hormones can get in the way of good judgement. You don't want feelings to get in the way of such a big decision, is the thought. Ditto for no time spent alone.... in my case we didn't spend much time alone physically but we didn't spend much time together in person at all - we're long distance. So we spent a whole lot of time talking by phone or email.

I didn't view courtship as a set of rules we had to follow, but an attitude and a mindset. Some of the courtship suggestions, like doing things with both families, wouldn't have worked for us since we live hundreds of miles from each other and our families. Of course some people who use courtship wouldn't approve of me being out on my own in the big scary world, away from my parents. But that doesn't mean the principles and ideas are creepy/scary.

Also nothing says you have to court someone as old as your dad!


426 posted on 03/02/2006 1:16:09 PM PST by JenB
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To: null and void
Many women could see right through Bill and Hillary early on and we didn't need men to tell us.

I did my homework and warned people about BOTH of them BEFORE Bill was elected to the presidency the FIRST time.

Even one of my best friends, not at all politically involved or astute, described Hillary as a haughty Ice Queen looking down upon her minions at their FIRST Inaugural Ball.

Sometimes we women really can think for ourselves. : )

427 posted on 03/02/2006 1:16:49 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Small is the key!)
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To: linda_22003
That deserved a little less flip an answer.

Unfortunately, I know at least a half dozen women who will vote for a woman -any woman- over a man -any man- even, or in a couple cases, especially if it's her.

In our current system where neither party seems particularly interested in what the voters want, elections are decide by razor thin margins and hand counts of dangling chads.

It would only take a small percentage of wymyn to push the Whore of Babylon over the top.

Frankly that prospect terrorizes me.

428 posted on 03/02/2006 1:16:52 PM PST by null and void (I nominate Sept 11th: "National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval". - Mr. Rational, paraphrased)
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To: jv1

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/963373/posts


429 posted on 03/02/2006 1:17:47 PM PST by DragonflyX
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To: linda_22003
I don't know it's even a "given" that she'll be the nominee!

Please God, no.

Unfortunately she doesn't work for God.

430 posted on 03/02/2006 1:18:43 PM PST by null and void (I nominate Sept 11th: "National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval". - Mr. Rational, paraphrased)
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To: nteres
* my head hurts *

Ah! Then you did understand my post...

431 posted on 03/02/2006 1:19:42 PM PST by null and void (I nominate Sept 11th: "National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval". - Mr. Rational, paraphrased)
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To: null and void

No, she's saying that women will avoid DATING Hillary. (note the topic of the thread) ;)

Not that there's anything wrong with that (dating Hillary).


432 posted on 03/02/2006 1:21:17 PM PST by nteres
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To: theFIRMbss

It's funny how defensive "happily married" people can get :D


433 posted on 03/02/2006 1:23:06 PM PST by DragonflyX
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To: TAdams8591
Many women could see right through Bill and Hillary early on and we didn't need men to tell us.

Yeah. I just had coffee with and old professional acquaintance, it was going great until she brought up politics. (One of us had to sooner or later).

She TOTALLY believes that Clinton was the best, most ethical president the country ever had. And as for his personal life, well all men do that!

I don't think we'll be having coffee again.

But she will be voting. *sigh*

434 posted on 03/02/2006 1:24:16 PM PST by null and void (I nominate Sept 11th: "National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval". - Mr. Rational, paraphrased)
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To: nteres
Not that there's anything wrong with that (dating Hillary).

You first...

435 posted on 03/02/2006 1:25:24 PM PST by null and void (I nominate Sept 11th: "National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval". - Mr. Rational, paraphrased)
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To: JenB
I understand the rational thank you! : )

While sexual intercourse, before marriage takes it too far one way, NO kissing or touching takes it too far the other way. My very devout and religious parents, (AND Aunts and Uncles) kissed and touched before marriage (gasp!) but they waited until marriage to go further. As they had both been dating with the goal of finding a marriage partner for a number of years, kissing and touching other boyfriends and girlfriends did not impair their judgment.

People have been kissing and touching before marriage, since the inception of this country, and it did not cloud the judgment of most of them regarding the suitability of a mate. It's the promiscuous nature of sexuality unleashed by the sexual revolution, that impairs and clouds judgment as you describe.

436 posted on 03/02/2006 1:28:32 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Small is the key!)
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To: nteres

Two words, though:

Frost Bite.

There are some places you realllllly don't want it...


437 posted on 03/02/2006 1:29:40 PM PST by null and void (I nominate Sept 11th: "National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval". - Mr. Rational, paraphrased)
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To: null and void
Yes, I know there are those types of women too. : )

If more women were as educated regarding politics as many of us here on the forum (and for me my education well preceeded my involment here), they would think and vote more like we do.

438 posted on 03/02/2006 1:32:11 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Small is the key!)
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To: Hildy

You beat the odds, that's great. Obviously you and your spouse had enough committment to make it work. The statistics show that most who start out as you did do not make it work. Good for you. I'm happy for you; you took the risks and overcame them. Great.


439 posted on 03/02/2006 1:33:44 PM PST by Wuli
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To: TAdams8591

I hope so.

We've got our work cut out for us.


440 posted on 03/02/2006 1:33:54 PM PST by null and void (I nominate Sept 11th: "National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval". - Mr. Rational, paraphrased)
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