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Bush disagrees with South Dakota abortion ban
AFP ^ | 1 March 2006

Posted on 02/28/2006 6:36:43 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

US President George W. Bush signalled his opposition to a South Dakota abortion ban that forbids the procedure even in cases of rape or incest, saying he favors such exceptions.

But Bush declined to predict the outcome of any legal challenges to the legislation, which would make it illegal to terminate a pregnancy except in rare cases when it may be necessary to save the life of the mother.

"That, of course, is a state law, but my position has always been three exceptions: Rape, incest, and the life of the mother," the US president told ABC news in an interview.

Asked whether he would include "health" of the mother, Bush replied: "I said life of the mother, and health is a very vague term, but my position has been clear on that ever since I started running for office."

The bill, which recently gained final approval from South Dakota's House of Representatives, directly contradicts the precedent set in 1973 when the US Supreme Court ruled that bans on abortion violate a woman's constitutional right to privacy.

The bill grants no allowances for women who have been raped or are victims of incest. Doctors who perform abortion would be charged with a crime. It also prohibits the sale of emergency contraception and asserts that life begins at fertilization.

The governor of South Dakota has indicated he is likely to sign the bill.

A leading pro-choice advocacy group has already vowed to challenge the ban in federal court. But that seems to be exactly what many promoters of the legislation seek.

Advocates of the ban do not deny they aim much higher than South Dakota, a rural and socially conservative state, which even today has only one abortion clinic.

Instead, they are hoping the bill will offer a full frontal assault on legal abortions now that the balance of power in the Supreme Court appears to have shifted with the confirmation of conservative jurists John Roberts and Samuel Alito, both of whom are seen as pro-life.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionban; deadbabies; freepertimewarp; incest; misleadingheadline; presidentbush; rape; readthearticle; southdakota
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To: jveritas
Why are you against abortion in case of insect(sic) or rape?

Because it wasn't free will. God gave us free will and any child born of this is not a child born of love. That child would be forever ostracized and never be loved the way he/she should be. The rape/incest victim should be made whole immediately by removing the spawn of evil. Rape/incest spawn are losing propositions.

561 posted on 02/28/2006 8:31:59 PM PST by DuckFan4ever (Defeat Kulongoski in '06.)
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To: clawrence3

I realize that. Don't get me wrong, SD has the right to regulate abortion in any manner it sees fit, and if this will help get that abomination called Roe V. Wade overturned, I'm all for it. But the thread digressed into an argument over principle, and I had to jump into the fray.


562 posted on 02/28/2006 8:33:08 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: LasVegasMac

DANG! SOmeone stole my car last week...you mean I don't have to accept that? I can just snap my fingers and get my car back?

WOW!

Who knew?


563 posted on 02/28/2006 8:33:26 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Seeking to marry a RICH MALE CHAUVANIST PIG! Cedar Dave admits to being 2 of the 4!)
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To: eeevil conservative
"I've noticed many of these women don't really want to talk to me about this! LOL! they find it much easier to attack men...."

Very true. It speaks for itself. You want to debate (or at least discuss and explore); they want to attack. How frustrating.
564 posted on 02/28/2006 8:33:36 PM PST by jdm (I do not allow any liberal to swim, er, ride in my car.)
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To: DuckFan4ever

"Spawn of evil"?


565 posted on 02/28/2006 8:34:54 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon

I reserver that saying for regular and reserve Army and AF zero's.


566 posted on 02/28/2006 8:35:02 PM PST by boomop1
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To: boomop1
If you hit the "report abuse" button at reply #7, they will remove it. They probably haven't seen the other request (in another aisle).
567 posted on 02/28/2006 8:35:29 PM PST by jdm (I do not allow any liberal to swim, er, ride in my car.)
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To: muawiyah
Certainly that'd slake any thirst.

You got me. What with bird flue and all, I just don't feel comfortable sinking my fangs into critters of the animal sort anymore, and alas, I must resort to human flesh.

568 posted on 02/28/2006 8:36:06 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: Aussie Dasher
I could be wrong, but President Bush seems to be going out of his way to antagonize his base this past week or so...

The president's position hasn't change on this. Yet you make it sound like his position has changed.

569 posted on 02/28/2006 8:36:10 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: DuckFan4ever

Interesting post, especially considering Bush has stated over and over again that all children should be wanted and loved.


570 posted on 02/28/2006 8:36:10 PM PST by rintense
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To: clawrence3
Well, it's not really that simple - let's say you knew in advance that 5 Justices would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade as long as a rape / incest exception was in your State's law, would you have signed this into law?

Of course not - but we don't know that. If the justices do turn this issue over to the states (as they rightly should), they know that some states - like SD did - won't make exceptions for rape and incest. Other states will. Still other states, like California, New York, and others will allow all abortions - including partial birth abortions - to continue. So the actual wording of the specific law in question isn't all that important.

The issue at hand isn't whether or not the SD law makes exceptions for rape and incest, but rather whether abortion is a constitutionally protected right under federal law or whether states are free to regulated as per the wishes of their own residents.
571 posted on 02/28/2006 8:36:13 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Somebody tell Bush that if those are the "exceptions" the liberals want, they've had 40 years to write the law that way. So far, nobody's been interested in establishing those limits!


572 posted on 02/28/2006 8:36:27 PM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: auggy

I guess there's a lot I didn't know about Jack Nicholson! Wow


573 posted on 02/28/2006 8:36:50 PM PST by The Worthless Miracle
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To: lesser_satan

Then perhaps you should retract your comment about my "lack of ability to draw distinctions [being] a bit amusing"?


574 posted on 02/28/2006 8:36:51 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: jdm

yes- it is frustrating... but trust me... it is even MORE frustrating for THEM!

how bad can it be when the only thing they can base any response on is that you are a man and they are a woman.....what was it that Jack said in that movie....

As Good as it Gets....

"I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability."


575 posted on 02/28/2006 8:39:01 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Seeking to marry a RICH MALE CHAUVANIST PIG! Cedar Dave admits to being 2 of the 4!)
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To: clawrence3

Consider it retracted.


576 posted on 02/28/2006 8:39:52 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: ARCADIA
Although, the South Dakota law goes way to far; the only thing the President does by jumping in with a luke warm opposition (Rape, incest, and the life of the mother) is to piss off everyone on both sides of the issue.

The President "jumped" into this?

No, the president was asked in an interview.

577 posted on 02/28/2006 8:40:00 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: DuckFan4ever

THAT IS A LIE!

A BOLD FACED LIE.....you may need to tell yourself that to justify killing a child.. somehow turn the innocent child into something evil-- but that is YOUR doing.. NO ONE ELSE'S!


578 posted on 02/28/2006 8:40:47 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Seeking to marry a RICH MALE CHAUVANIST PIG! Cedar Dave admits to being 2 of the 4!)
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To: FreeReign

I'm not saying the President's position has changed.

With all the heat he's feeling over the ports, I just thought it might have been smarter not to reignite the "exceptions" argument.


579 posted on 02/28/2006 8:41:50 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: eeevil conservative
Yeah, I remember that...

Secretary: How do you write women so well?
Melvin: I think of a man, and then I take away reason and accountability.
580 posted on 02/28/2006 8:41:50 PM PST by jdm (I do not allow any liberal to swim, er, ride in my car.)
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