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Bush disagrees with South Dakota abortion ban
AFP ^ | 1 March 2006

Posted on 02/28/2006 6:36:43 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

US President George W. Bush signalled his opposition to a South Dakota abortion ban that forbids the procedure even in cases of rape or incest, saying he favors such exceptions.

But Bush declined to predict the outcome of any legal challenges to the legislation, which would make it illegal to terminate a pregnancy except in rare cases when it may be necessary to save the life of the mother.

"That, of course, is a state law, but my position has always been three exceptions: Rape, incest, and the life of the mother," the US president told ABC news in an interview.

Asked whether he would include "health" of the mother, Bush replied: "I said life of the mother, and health is a very vague term, but my position has been clear on that ever since I started running for office."

The bill, which recently gained final approval from South Dakota's House of Representatives, directly contradicts the precedent set in 1973 when the US Supreme Court ruled that bans on abortion violate a woman's constitutional right to privacy.

The bill grants no allowances for women who have been raped or are victims of incest. Doctors who perform abortion would be charged with a crime. It also prohibits the sale of emergency contraception and asserts that life begins at fertilization.

The governor of South Dakota has indicated he is likely to sign the bill.

A leading pro-choice advocacy group has already vowed to challenge the ban in federal court. But that seems to be exactly what many promoters of the legislation seek.

Advocates of the ban do not deny they aim much higher than South Dakota, a rural and socially conservative state, which even today has only one abortion clinic.

Instead, they are hoping the bill will offer a full frontal assault on legal abortions now that the balance of power in the Supreme Court appears to have shifted with the confirmation of conservative jurists John Roberts and Samuel Alito, both of whom are seen as pro-life.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionban; deadbabies; freepertimewarp; incest; misleadingheadline; presidentbush; rape; readthearticle; southdakota
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Slavery and segregation used to be legal too, it didn't make it right.


501 posted on 02/28/2006 8:14:09 PM PST by frankiep
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To: Hildy

If you know anything about the effects of abortion on women you shsould know it's the ones who aren't talking that you should be concerned about. And no, after twenty years in the business I don't believe you.


502 posted on 02/28/2006 8:14:25 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: muawiyah

I think its a huge political mistake for the republican party to promise pro-life people - that overturning Roe means that abortion will be outlawed in all 50 states, in all cases, even for adult women in the first trimester.

shift the debate to that - and you will lose independent women voters in droves.

if you can bound the argument to restrictions on late term, parental consent, and having it return to the states where voters and their legislatures can decide for themselves - its a net win politically. but a sweeping federal ban, is not.


503 posted on 02/28/2006 8:15:51 PM PST by oceanview
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To: TheBigB
Many folks forget that even if Roe v. Wade is overturned...and I think it should be...it won't do one thing to make abortions stop. At all. It will simply, and properly, return the issue to the states, as it is not a federal/constitutional issue.

Interestingly enough, I happend to catch a program on EWTN and the discussion was on the nomination of Alito (this program aired during the same week the Alito hearings occured), and the topic of overturning Roe v. Wade came up, and Raymond Arroyo's guest was asked what would happen if Roe v. Wade were overturned, and he said Roe v. Wade should be overturned and the states should decide, and he further said what you just said. Overturning Roe v. Wade won't slow down the number of abortions, let alone stop them.

504 posted on 02/28/2006 8:16:00 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: frankiep

If you're going to change subjects, we might as well stop here.


505 posted on 02/28/2006 8:16:52 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: clawrence3

There does not need to be a crime for "justifiable homicide" - for instance, it can be the killing of another in self-defense when danger of death or serious bodily injury exists, even if the other person does not know they are posing said risk - I will grant you such force used must be reasonable and cannot be excessive. If there is some reasonable step short of deadly force, that should always be used first. Let me know if you have any further questions.

How is a woman's life in danger if she has a baby that is the result of rape or incest? How would that be justifiable by your definition?

506 posted on 02/28/2006 8:17:09 PM PST by frankiep
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To: eeevil conservative

okay... good night


507 posted on 02/28/2006 8:17:32 PM PST by cyborg (I just love that man.)
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To: Old_Mil
Well, it's not really that simple - let's say you knew in advance that 5 Justices would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade as long as a rape / incest exception was in your State's law, would you have signed this into law?
508 posted on 02/28/2006 8:17:52 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: frankiep
Slavery and segregation used to be legal too, it didn't make it right.

For your information, slavery and segregation weren't even settled law. Even Eleanor Roosevelt would have agreed with me if she were alive.

509 posted on 02/28/2006 8:18:02 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: madmominct

well-- if you want to label me angry.. nothing I can do about that.....

you assume I have no compassion for a rape victim?

that is silly and ridiculous... compassion is not enabling.... there is a difference...

it does take strength to carry a child of rape...sometimes we are called to do tough things that we have not signed up for.. this doesn't excuse murder, dear... it just doesn't...

you will live with the pain and anger of being violated weather or not you kill your child.. killing your child will not ease the pain.....

in fact.. there is nothing more healing than seeing the beauty that comes from such pain....

I actually think it is more compassionate to let a woman live with the fact that she DID choose life.... much more compassionate than letting her live with the ugly truth and secret that she chose what seemed like the easy way at the time.... the pain and anger gets misdirected to her innocent child.. as if destroying it is destroying the pain... that, my dear, is a lie no woman should be sold...


510 posted on 02/28/2006 8:18:36 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Seeking to marry a RICH MALE CHAUVANIST PIG! Cedar Dave admits to being 2 of the 4!)
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To: clawrence3

As would I, after the rapist's assets had been seized, sold, and the proceeds offered to her as compensation. But if she refused, I would not force her to carry the child against her will.


511 posted on 02/28/2006 8:18:54 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: cyborg

good night.....


512 posted on 02/28/2006 8:19:12 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Seeking to marry a RICH MALE CHAUVANIST PIG! Cedar Dave admits to being 2 of the 4!)
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To: jveritas
"Why are you against abortion in case of insect or rape?"

Killing a criminal children is an acceptable form of punishment.
513 posted on 02/28/2006 8:19:22 PM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: Peach
I can't imagine many freepers being upset about the president's statements.

I'm still a Bushbot.

514 posted on 02/28/2006 8:19:30 PM PST by Once-Ler (The rat 06 election platform will be a promise to impeach the President if they win.)
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To: frankiep
Rape or incest - man's sperm fertilizes an egg which implant in the Fallopian tube - I could keep going all night. There are hundreds of possible scenarios.
515 posted on 02/28/2006 8:19:34 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: MNJohnnie; tlj18
By being consistant[sic] in his positions?

Correst. He is consistent. It's also a ludicrous--and gutless--position, articulated by his father. See tlj18's response above yours for an explanation.

516 posted on 02/28/2006 8:20:00 PM PST by jammer
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To: soupcon
This should be nobody else's business.

It's the baby's business.

517 posted on 02/28/2006 8:20:03 PM PST by DameAutour (I'm uniquely one of us and one of them.)
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To: lesser_satan

Tell me EXACTLY what the child did wrong to justify KILLING it. Life is not fair, we all have circumstances beyond our control that we have to face. We cannot kill people because of it though.


518 posted on 02/28/2006 8:20:20 PM PST by frankiep
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To: TheBigB

not for late term, I think that part of it can be legally federalized. a 7 month child in utero, is viable outside the mother, and is therefore a person.

yes, I know this means we make a distinction between an 6 week embryo and a 6 month fetus - but intelligent choices are part of law making.


519 posted on 02/28/2006 8:20:37 PM PST by oceanview
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To: frankiep

But, if you insist on going down that path, slavery and segregation were state rights, whether we agreed with it or not. I happen to disagree that slavery and segregation were right.


520 posted on 02/28/2006 8:20:47 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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