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Bush disagrees with South Dakota abortion ban
AFP ^ | 1 March 2006

Posted on 02/28/2006 6:36:43 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

US President George W. Bush signalled his opposition to a South Dakota abortion ban that forbids the procedure even in cases of rape or incest, saying he favors such exceptions.

But Bush declined to predict the outcome of any legal challenges to the legislation, which would make it illegal to terminate a pregnancy except in rare cases when it may be necessary to save the life of the mother.

"That, of course, is a state law, but my position has always been three exceptions: Rape, incest, and the life of the mother," the US president told ABC news in an interview.

Asked whether he would include "health" of the mother, Bush replied: "I said life of the mother, and health is a very vague term, but my position has been clear on that ever since I started running for office."

The bill, which recently gained final approval from South Dakota's House of Representatives, directly contradicts the precedent set in 1973 when the US Supreme Court ruled that bans on abortion violate a woman's constitutional right to privacy.

The bill grants no allowances for women who have been raped or are victims of incest. Doctors who perform abortion would be charged with a crime. It also prohibits the sale of emergency contraception and asserts that life begins at fertilization.

The governor of South Dakota has indicated he is likely to sign the bill.

A leading pro-choice advocacy group has already vowed to challenge the ban in federal court. But that seems to be exactly what many promoters of the legislation seek.

Advocates of the ban do not deny they aim much higher than South Dakota, a rural and socially conservative state, which even today has only one abortion clinic.

Instead, they are hoping the bill will offer a full frontal assault on legal abortions now that the balance of power in the Supreme Court appears to have shifted with the confirmation of conservative jurists John Roberts and Samuel Alito, both of whom are seen as pro-life.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionban; deadbabies; freepertimewarp; incest; misleadingheadline; presidentbush; rape; readthearticle; southdakota
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To: Hildy
No, I don't believe in the death penalty for rape.

Yes you do; just in an optional one for unborn children conceived through rape.

1,021 posted on 03/01/2006 5:17:46 PM PST by Tim Long (I spit in the face of people who don't want to be cool.)
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To: nickcarraway

"In the case of rape, it's usually the perpetrator who wants the abortion. The victims want to have the child, and it's usually their only way out of the situation. The perpetrator wants to "destroy the evidence." It's great we are so sensitive to the needs of those who commit incest."

It makes sense.


1,022 posted on 03/01/2006 5:18:35 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: muawiyah

I support the death penalty for rapists as well. Rape and murder to me are two acts worthy of capital punishment.


1,023 posted on 03/01/2006 5:28:34 PM PST by Tim Long (I spit in the face of people who don't want to be cool.)
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To: Hildy
Have you given any thought to how an abortion, killing someone , killing a baby, is going to effect the woman? Carrying a baby to term would be very, very difficult in the case of rape, but as is often the case doing what is right is hard. And taking the path that seems easier often isn't...it will come back to haunt.

A woman would never be able to forgive herself for killing a baby even if that baby's biological father is a scum bag..at some point she will realize that the baby had done nothing wrong and then it would be too late. And don't give me the lame excuse of reliving the rape every day of the pregnancy...she is going to do that--pregnant or not.
1,024 posted on 03/01/2006 5:31:02 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Hildy

And that would be your OPINION, and it is based on what, exactly???


1,025 posted on 03/01/2006 5:33:51 PM PST by luckymom (Forget the baby whales, save the baby humans.)
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To: Reactionary

Do you think you should pay for the crimes of your parents?


1,026 posted on 03/01/2006 5:36:00 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I'm curious as to what type of psychological impact do you think killing an unborn baby will have? At some point she is going to realize that she has killed someone that did nothing wrong and then what?

She will remember the rape every single day pregnant or not..why add insult to injury?

How do you explain this decision to a child..as in a young woman that is your child..."I know I have told you your entire life that abortion is wrong, but in your case it is ok..forget all that stuff about it being a baby and go ahead and kill it b/c the father is evil" ??
1,027 posted on 03/01/2006 5:39:16 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

But how do you deal with going around trying to explain to others - including your own children, if you have any - that that particular baby wasn't worth keeping alive? Do you understand that if a person becomes pregnant after a rape, and to use the example of a married woman with children. she has others to think about besides herself?

Would you want to tell your children that this baby or that wasn't good enough to be born? Kids don't get that, they will think that if mom can get rid of this baby, then maybe she'll get rid of me. how do you bring them up to believe that abortion is wrong if they see you advocating abortion for some circumstances?

Adoption is a better option if the woman really can't do it, but even then.. if she's got other children already, how to best explain to them that this sibling won't be in their family? They don't really care about biological parenthood, they care about a baby and if you can get rid of one, what's to say you won't get rid of them if you are angry at their father?

Sorry, been there. I went through months of having people look at me like I was lower than dirt because i was pregnant and didn't have my husband around. I went through having even my family think I had been stupid because I was ashamed of having been taken in by a bad person and I didn't want my family to feel sorry that they hadn't been able to protect me or weren't able to read between the lines and see what was really going on. I am not a very strong person, I've thought about giving up in life more than once. To have the burden of having murdered a baby would have been too much for me to take. Other people's opinions about my morals are not important.

Maybe it's different because I've lost too many babies to miscarriage, I don't know - but those were all babies to me long before they could have been born alive. The parentage of the baby doesn't make him or her less of a human being.


1,028 posted on 03/01/2006 6:06:14 PM PST by jamily (The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know)
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To: luckymom

Millions of women have had abortions...you're saying that millions of women are walking around damaged because of abortions? I'm saying your wrong. Women who choose to talk about it in that way are, and I will go out on a limb and say that some women who have abortions, or lots of sex without a stable relationship are damaged anyway and their abortion provides a very convenient excust. But there are many more who have their abortions and go on with their lives and it has no effect on them. You might not like that, it doesn't fit into your world view, but it's the truth.


1,029 posted on 03/01/2006 6:08:26 PM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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To: socialismisinsidious
A woman would never be able to forgive herself for killing a baby even if that baby's biological father is a scum bag..at some point she will realize that the baby had done nothing wrong and then it would be too late.

Really, every woman..huh?

1,030 posted on 03/01/2006 6:10:00 PM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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To: ohioWfan
"I only have problems with dogmatism based on interpretation of what's in His word, by finite human beings...........that would be ALL of us."

Ohio, I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at, but with all due respect I was NOT reiterating dogmatism. I was simply confirming what is quite explicitly stated in Scripture, and it was hardly even an interpretation it was the straight facts from Scripture. Christians from all ages have disagreed with what carries over from the OT and what doesn't. That's hardly dogmatism anymore than believing that Christ is the only way to salvation is dogmatism. I'd venture to say that there's some things you follow wholeheartedly from the OT and some things you don't. There are some things so distasteful in the OT that I can hardly comprehend it, and yet there it is. And those things were given by the God you and I serve. It was obviously what He wanted His people to live by. Whether or not we should live by them today (excluding the sacrifices) I admitted that I do not know. But sometimes I DO wonder if we wouldn't be better off as a society if we did.

1,031 posted on 03/01/2006 6:10:04 PM PST by TruthSetsUFree
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To: TruthSetsUFree
I'm not saying the struggle to understand isn't valid, Truth. Not at all.

All I am saying is that we need to be very careful that we don't impose our own interpretation of debatable issues on others, and come across as though we have it all figured out, and everyone else is wrong. (I'm talking to myself here too).

There are certain things that we can be absolutely sure about.......that Jesus is divine, that He was God incarnate, that He was born, died on a cross, and rose again, ascending to heaven where he reigns and is coming back again.

Being dogmatic about a death penalty for adulterers is NOT included in that list of things we can be certain about.

I think I've made myself pretty clear, and anything else would be repetition of what I've already said.

God be with you on your journey of faith, Truth.

1,032 posted on 03/01/2006 6:18:51 PM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Hildy
There is significant evidence to support the pain and guilt that women have following an abortion, Hildy.

The legitimate question is, is it right to compound the pain of rape with the guilt of allowing your own child to be murdered?

1,033 posted on 03/01/2006 6:21:04 PM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: ARCADIA
Thanks. I thought I was alone here. "Lukewarm" has been Bush's only "strength".

(scoff)

1,034 posted on 03/01/2006 6:27:07 PM PST by manwiththehands
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To: ohioWfan
"Being dogmatic about a death penalty for adulterers is NOT included in that list of things we can be certain about."

I believe that I have also made myself clear and if you still believe that I was being dogmatic (I can't tell if you, but it doesn't really matter) I'll leave that to you.

Blessings to you, Ohio.

1,035 posted on 03/01/2006 6:29:04 PM PST by TruthSetsUFree
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To: buffmonster
I honestly don't think Bush is doing it intentionally. I just think his reelection put an awful amount of ego and pride in his little skull.

He made the biggest mistake a politician can make: he thinks it's about HIM, but it's about US, the folks who PUT HIM THERE.

Out of all his advisers someone should have smacked him on the head and said: "It's not about YOU, Mr. President!"

1,036 posted on 03/01/2006 6:31:46 PM PST by manwiththehands
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To: ForOurFuture
Good point.
1,037 posted on 03/01/2006 7:10:17 PM PST by curiosity
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To: buffmonster

Slither back buffmonster to your liberal cesspool, troll.


1,038 posted on 03/01/2006 7:16:33 PM PST by mtntop3 ("He who must know before he believes will never come to full knowledge.")
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To: Coleus

Thanks Father Peter-Coleus.


1,039 posted on 03/01/2006 7:24:55 PM PST by fatima (Just say it if it is for love-have no regrets.)
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To: socialismisinsidious

A lot of women will have no regrets whatsoever about terminating a pregnancy, especially when it's done very early. I know a couple of women who had abortions when they were young, and later married and had children. They don't regret it. They know the only reason they're able to provide a decent life for the children they did have was because they didn't screw up their lives and education and finances by having a baby when they were in no position to raise it decently. Some women do have regrets, but it's hardly a given.

I seriously doubt there are many women who have regrets about having aborted a pregnancy that was caused by rape or incest, or would have any trouble telling their daughters about it. Most mothers would prefer that their daughters not have to live with the fear that the horror of a rape could then be followed by 9 months of the horror of being forced to carry the rapist's baby to term.


1,040 posted on 03/01/2006 7:31:43 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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