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Utah House kills evolution bill
Fort Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 28 February 2006 | JENNIFER DOBNER

Posted on 02/28/2006 4:05:45 AM PST by PatrickHenry

House lawmakers scuttled a bill that would have required public school students to be told that evolution is not empirically proven - the latest setback for critics of evolution.

The bill's sponsor, Republican state Sen. Chris Buttars, had said it was time to rein in teachers who were teaching that man descended from apes and rattling the faith of students. The Senate earlier passed the measure 16-12.

But the bill failed in the House on a 28-46 vote Monday. The bill would have required teachers to tell students that evolution is not a fact and the state doesn't endorse the theory.

Rep. Scott Wyatt, a Republican, said he feared passing the bill would force the state to then address hundreds of other scientific theories - "from Quantum physics to Freud" - in the same manner.

"I would leave you with two questions," Wyatt said. "If we decide to weigh in on this part, are we going to begin weighing in on all the others and are we the correct body to do that?"

Buttars said he didn't believe the defeat means that most House members think Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is correct.

"I don't believe that anybody in there really wants their kids to be taught that their great-grandfather was an ape," Buttars said.

The vote represents the latest loss for critics of evolution. In December, a federal judge barred the school system in Dover, Pa., from teaching intelligent design alongside evolution in high school biology classes.

Also last year, a federal judge ordered the school system in suburban Atlanta's Cobb County to remove from biology textbooks stickers that called evolution a theory, not a fact.

Earlier this year, a rural California school district canceled an elective philosophy course on intelligent design and agreed never to promote the topic in class again.

But critics of evolution got a boost in Kansas in November when the state Board of Education adopted new science teaching standards that treat evolution as a flawed theory, defying the view of science groups.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: biofraud; crevolist; scienceeducation
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

701 posted on 02/28/2006 6:39:27 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: VadeRetro
And if his name's Ray C. Stedman, it's not even plagiarism.

BWHAHAHA! Good catch.

702 posted on 02/28/2006 6:39:56 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: VadeRetro
If one looks at the geologic record with the assumption that the same processes have carried on in the same way throughout all ages, then I suppose he can only come to the same conclusion as many have. I believe the earth's surface was significantly different prior to the worldwide deluge; that catastrophic activity occurred on many levels as a result of water being displaced on such a large scale; that this single event forever changed human history, including geography, in a dramatic way. It seems to me the biblical texts indicate the earth was covered with water first, and then the dry land appeared.
703 posted on 02/28/2006 6:40:38 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: From many - one.

http://beergame.mit.edu/default.htm

Do you wanna play?


704 posted on 02/28/2006 6:41:44 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: Fester Chugabrew
You get the last word on this one for a while. Out for the night.
705 posted on 02/28/2006 6:44:10 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: whattajoke
"Dang, what thread was that?"


706 posted on 02/28/2006 6:46:04 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: whattajoke
A creative person could pull it off, but distorting what evolution says is much easier . . .

Why is it easier to distort what evolution says as opposed to what the theory of gravity says? I thought both are on an equal level from the standpoint of science.

707 posted on 02/28/2006 6:50:41 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: phantomworker

Not now. I've got some work prep I've been avoiding. Also see my prior post. If it's fast, I'm probably useless.


708 posted on 02/28/2006 6:50:43 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: VadeRetro

Thanks. Have a good evening.


709 posted on 02/28/2006 6:51:46 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: VadeRetro
All you really need to know is that creationist geologists looked in zealous earnest for the residue of a world-wide flood for most of the 18th century and into the 19th

Charles Lyell. Saw his grave in Westminster Abbey last week. Darwin is there too.

710 posted on 02/28/2006 6:53:28 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: From many - one.

I know that feeling of work avoidance. Hope you get it finished. Thanks for the puns earlier. They were funny. My work and especially my volunteer work is stressful at times, so it is great to laugh so hard. Thanks.


711 posted on 02/28/2006 6:56:38 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; P-Marlowe

Your question has a mistake in it.

Who says "God" screwed up?

The idea is that humanity chose depravity. God came to fix it.

So, with that correction, Yes, God is not a man that He can do wrong, and God will do what is right with creation when it gets out of line.

Your life and mine, for example, are His to end if He deems it necessary.

Perhaps you think Truman was wrong to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki?


712 posted on 02/28/2006 6:59:21 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Pray for Our Troops!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Amazing how no one touches the center of your argument (namely, that the Latin text says a certain thing).

No one cares!

What does the GREEK say?

713 posted on 02/28/2006 6:59:35 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: ahayes
You'll pardon me if I don't take your word for how evolution is "supposed" to work.

Ah... but you'll others: nice.

714 posted on 02/28/2006 7:00:29 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: ml1954
Like a 40 days rain flooding the entire world?

You musta missed the 'fountains of the deep' part.

715 posted on 02/28/2006 7:01:27 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
It seems to me the biblical texts indicate the earth was covered with water first, and then the dry land appeared.

You're funny.

I didn't know you were a YECer fester.

716 posted on 02/28/2006 7:02:05 PM PST by narby (Evolution is the new "third rail" in American politics)
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To: Elsie

You haven't demonstrated any knowledge or understanding of the theory of evolution or the mechanisms behind it. I also would not take your word on the theory of relativity or the fundamentals of differential equations until you displayed to me you had some expertise in those areas.

Until then I will stick to the interpretations of those who understand the mechanisms of natural selection and understand what the theory of evolution says and who know the natural evidence and can explain it.

When you've cooked up an alternative theory that explains the natural record without relying upon mendacious supernatural interference, let me know.


717 posted on 02/28/2006 7:05:20 PM PST by ahayes
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To: xzins

The idea is that humanity chose depravity. God came to fix it.

Why did an omnipotent and omniscient God create human beings he knew would chose, as you put it, depravity?

718 posted on 02/28/2006 7:05:58 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: narby
I didn't know you were a YECer . . .

My profile page says as much, and at some length. Now you know.

719 posted on 02/28/2006 7:07:25 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: xzins
"Your question has a mistake in it.

Who says "God" screwed up? "

I do. According to the story, he made us, and being omniscient he knew exactly how we would turn out. Therefore, he screwed up.

"The idea is that humanity chose depravity. God came to fix it. "

According to the story, God made humanity. He made our nature. If our nature is to sin, it isn't our fault. We don't choose our nature.

"Perhaps you think Truman was wrong to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki?"

No, because the depravity of Imperial Japan wasn't Truman's fault or his creation.
720 posted on 02/28/2006 7:08:55 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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