Posted on 02/28/2006 4:05:45 AM PST by PatrickHenry
House lawmakers scuttled a bill that would have required public school students to be told that evolution is not empirically proven - the latest setback for critics of evolution.
The bill's sponsor, Republican state Sen. Chris Buttars, had said it was time to rein in teachers who were teaching that man descended from apes and rattling the faith of students. The Senate earlier passed the measure 16-12.
But the bill failed in the House on a 28-46 vote Monday. The bill would have required teachers to tell students that evolution is not a fact and the state doesn't endorse the theory.
Rep. Scott Wyatt, a Republican, said he feared passing the bill would force the state to then address hundreds of other scientific theories - "from Quantum physics to Freud" - in the same manner.
"I would leave you with two questions," Wyatt said. "If we decide to weigh in on this part, are we going to begin weighing in on all the others and are we the correct body to do that?"
Buttars said he didn't believe the defeat means that most House members think Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is correct.
"I don't believe that anybody in there really wants their kids to be taught that their great-grandfather was an ape," Buttars said.
The vote represents the latest loss for critics of evolution. In December, a federal judge barred the school system in Dover, Pa., from teaching intelligent design alongside evolution in high school biology classes.
Also last year, a federal judge ordered the school system in suburban Atlanta's Cobb County to remove from biology textbooks stickers that called evolution a theory, not a fact.
Earlier this year, a rural California school district canceled an elective philosophy course on intelligent design and agreed never to promote the topic in class again.
But critics of evolution got a boost in Kansas in November when the state Board of Education adopted new science teaching standards that treat evolution as a flawed theory, defying the view of science groups.
See!
The E's and C's agree!
You were REALLY close!
This is more accurate:
God is, whatever I think He is, regardless.
But you will no doubt continue telling us that you have priveleged insights, regardless of facts.
NIV Matthew 19:16-21
16. Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
17. "Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."
18. "Which ones?" the man inquired. Jesus replied, "`Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony,
19. honor your father and mother,' and `love your neighbor as yourself.' "
20. "All these I have kept," the young man said. "What do I still lack?"
21. Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
NIV Luke 10:25-29
25. On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
26. "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"
27. He answered: "`Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' ; and, `Love your neighbor as yourself.' "
28. "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."
ACTS 157. After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: "Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe.
8. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.
9. He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith.
10. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?
11. No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."
12. The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the miraculous signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them.
13. When they finished, James spoke up: "Brothers, listen to me.
14. Simon has described to us how God at first showed his concern by taking from the Gentiles a people for himself.
15. The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16. "`After this I will return and rebuild David's fallen tent. Its ruins I will rebuild, and I will restore it,
17. that the remnant of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who bear my name, says the Lord, who does these things'
18. that have been known for ages.
19. "It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.
20. Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.
21. For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."
22. Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, two men who were leaders among the brothers.
23. With them they sent the following letter:The apostles and elders, your brothers, To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia: Greetings.
24. We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.
25. So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul--
26. men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27. Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing.
28. It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
29. You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.
30. The men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter.
31. The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message.
32. Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the brothers.
This was a specific reply to a specific individual.
I can see nowhere that it is to be applied across the board.
There is no shame in looking for evidence to support one's assumptions and then finding it. Had these people whom you are convinced to have been "devout Christians" maintained that there was indeed a global flood, you would simply place them on the side of people like myself who supposedly represent a "disgrace to my religion." Why not try holding back on the vitriol and understanding that there is more than one way scientifically to comprehend reality?
Yes!
http://www.sosmath.com/tables/prime/prime.html
#197 to be exact!
They did maintain for a couple of centuries that there was a global flood. the change in interpretation was gradual and painful. Try reading some history before slandering people.
I don't see how your example addresses the facts of whether an individual or a group mutates.
Another prediction by an Evolutionist coming true!
--EvoDude
I have the same suspicion. "Salting" FR with quotes to be mined later.
But, I'm also quite sure that there are some sincere ones as well.
Another "paranoid" guess: the reason (or one of the reasons) DI didn't get formally involved in the Dover trial was the fear that their finances might be exposed during pre-trial discovery.
I wonder if the Conspiracy that Cares could infiltrate someone (a CPA, a receptionist) into the firm that audits DI?
Sigh...
Only C types are capable of SPAMMING!!
As I suspected. Inconvenient, but very explicit statements are just metaphors. Can you point to anything in the life or teaching of Jesus that suggests he was more impressed with public bloviations about faith in preference to helping other people? Even helping enemies?
No more than the next Believer.
You don't speak for believers. You do not define belief.
I said that I could not find anything. Feel free to point it out to me, if you would.
Can you point to anything in the life or teaching of Jesus that suggests he was more impressed with public bloviations about faith in preference to helping other people? Even helping enemies?
No, just the opposite.
One does need even need a biblical text to reasonably surmise that mammals could be dispersed on a wide basis provided there were mild climates in all places where land was present.
The polar regions receive a fraction of the solar energy that the equatorial regions get, hence they are extremely cold.
Today this is true. There may have been a time when the earth's axis was orientated in such a way as to provide milder climates. I do not assume all geologic processes taking place today are the same either in rate, magnitude, or direction as they always have been. You do, and if I made the same assumptions as you, I would come to the same conclusions. A global flood would produce a general continuity of the fossil record, which there is.
I won't press to have your ideas excluded from bible class, or comparative religion studies.
We have simply been discussing the geologic record, and how it might support the biblical account of a worldwide deluge. There's nothing about "comparative religion" involved. The fossils are present worldwide, and there happens to be a widely accepted, ancient text that attests matter-of-factly to a global deluge.
Your protest goes beyond credibility. I don't think your concern is really science, but that your ideas enjoy an exclusive protected status by law when ideas that challenge yours are brought into a public, academic context. Sorry. This is the United States of America.
Cordially,
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