Posted on 02/28/2006 4:05:45 AM PST by PatrickHenry
House lawmakers scuttled a bill that would have required public school students to be told that evolution is not empirically proven - the latest setback for critics of evolution.
The bill's sponsor, Republican state Sen. Chris Buttars, had said it was time to rein in teachers who were teaching that man descended from apes and rattling the faith of students. The Senate earlier passed the measure 16-12.
But the bill failed in the House on a 28-46 vote Monday. The bill would have required teachers to tell students that evolution is not a fact and the state doesn't endorse the theory.
Rep. Scott Wyatt, a Republican, said he feared passing the bill would force the state to then address hundreds of other scientific theories - "from Quantum physics to Freud" - in the same manner.
"I would leave you with two questions," Wyatt said. "If we decide to weigh in on this part, are we going to begin weighing in on all the others and are we the correct body to do that?"
Buttars said he didn't believe the defeat means that most House members think Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is correct.
"I don't believe that anybody in there really wants their kids to be taught that their great-grandfather was an ape," Buttars said.
The vote represents the latest loss for critics of evolution. In December, a federal judge barred the school system in Dover, Pa., from teaching intelligent design alongside evolution in high school biology classes.
Also last year, a federal judge ordered the school system in suburban Atlanta's Cobb County to remove from biology textbooks stickers that called evolution a theory, not a fact.
Earlier this year, a rural California school district canceled an elective philosophy course on intelligent design and agreed never to promote the topic in class again.
But critics of evolution got a boost in Kansas in November when the state Board of Education adopted new science teaching standards that treat evolution as a flawed theory, defying the view of science groups.
That is a barefaced, shameful lie, and I don't care what the mods think about it. The early geologists were devout Christians looking for evidence of the flood. You are a disgrace to your religion and should stop before you convince everyone that Christians are ignorant, lying scum.
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"Sure they did. They went looking for evidence to support their assumptions and found it."
They were, to a man, creationists.
David Limbaugh, "The Left lies because it must," 2006-01-27
Huh? They were creationists, and they were very surprised to not find evidence of the global flood.
"Predicting" a find of marsupial life at the poles could be just as valid with a gloabal deulge in mind as a billion-year history that was unobserved and unrecorded.
How so? Specifically what in YEC would lead to a prediction of marsupial fossils in antarctica?
I am given to believe the polar regions are a result of the global flood and were not present as such prior to the flood.
You can be given to believe any moonbat thing you like. The polar regions receive a fraction of the solar energy that the equatorial regions get, hence they are extremely cold. The continent known as antarctica wasn't always at the poles, hence it harbours fossil forms consistent with its past positions. Those forms are remarkably similar to the fossils on the continents it used to adjoin. Hence the prediction, which came *before* the fossils were found. Predictions are what science is about. Its lifeblood and affirmation of the truth of theory. YEC has never made any successful predictions (they tried for a while, in the 60's and 70's, but embarrassingly none of the predictions of YEC that ran counter to mainstream theory ever came true).
That is to say the overall climate on this planet was more mild, and consequently allowed for longer life spans.
How exactly does a mild climate allow for longer lifespans? Be specific, and provide evidence with reference to the survival prospects of modern adult humans in mild climates and harsh climates. Bear in mind in your answer that the long lifespans described in the Bible appear to have persisted for a while *after* the flood.
You are given to believe yourself and those who are likeminded to yourself. That's okay. I won't press the legislature to keep your belief out of school.
Well, I won't press to have your ideas excluded from bible class, or comparative religion studies. But I will press to keep the data and logic-free nonsense that is YEC out of science class.
Are yousaying education would be improved by teaching things that are not true?
That assertion is true. There are far too many creatures in the fossil record for them all to have been alive at the same time.
or that the "perpetrator" of this flood attempted to hide the evidence.
That assertion is also true. Nothing of what we would expect to find had there been a global deluge in the last 5000 years is present. The only way a global deluge makes sense is if the Perpetrator hid the physical evidence of His actions, by doing things like filling the sediments with far more fossil creatures than could have been alive at once, and (as another example) by inserting complete fossilised coral-beds into the sedimentary column. (shame perhaps at a global mass-murder of children as well as adults?)
Do you really expect such assertions to be taken seriously? The fact stands that the fossil record represents sudden death on a global scale, and this simple observation is in accord with global processes of aquatic and volcanic deposition.
It represents death on a global scale, but not sudden death on a global scale. I live near some cliffs which are a couple of hundred feet high. Those cliffs are loaded with fossils. If you dig beyond the cliff surface you find those fossils thick in the cliffs as far as you dig, over a vast area. Such locations are common all over the world. The idea that all of those organisms were alive at once is simply laughable.
You never did answer my specific point about angular unconformities upon angular unconformities, all cross cut at different times with volcanic intrusions.
Better find something new soon, Fester is repeating himself for the third or fourth time!
I thought he'd given up on the babyish YEC nonsense in favour of the "organised matter proves God" Schtick.
Descartes: I think therefore I am.
Fester: I think therefore God is.
In a freak occurrence, N. Ludd, long-time supporter of creation science, looked into the mirror yesterday and discovered that he had become a kumquat. At a press conference, Mr. Ludd expressed great surprise. "I never believed in speciation," he said, adding that he would be re-thinking his opposition to evolution.
Seconded.
100% correct, though self-absorbed, litigious parents with a sense of entitlement who think their precious child is the center of the universe are also an equally contributive factor to the decline of American education.
Yet everyone here is obsessed with the single issue of Darwin vs. creationism.
I just find the issue fascinating, as many of the same conservatives who (rightfully) want to purge the public school system of superfluous, PC nonsense and concentrate on the basics of education want to dilute or eliminate one of the most fundamental priniciples of the life sciences.
Being a former science educator and aspiring scientist, I happen to have a greater personal stake in this particular issue than most. Many of the regulars who post here on the science side of the argument also have strong science backgrounds.
A stupid public is the greatest threat to America.
No arguments from me there.
Ludd never believed in speciation except when needing to populate the world with its modern species from what could be carried on a wooden boat for a year between the boat beaching and the start of written history, all with no-one noticing and commenting on the explosion of different lifeforms in ancient texts.
I think a little shuffling can occur between the X and the Y, but only in certain, well defined loci of the Y chromosome. The studies which traced the human migration patterns over the Earth looked at polymorphisms outside this area which never undergo recombination.
This book does a great job of explaining how those studies were conducted. There was a special on TV along with the book.
The evidence is indeed stark. It falsifies biblical literalism at every turn.
Is the wish the parent of the thought?
Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. "Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down....I tell you the truth, this generation[e] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.""As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man."
Jesus
Cordially,
Am I still logged in?
Taqqiya of some ilk are protected species.
Nice dog picture. It looks a lot like my labradoodle.
Nope: Harry
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