Utah House kills evolution bill

Fort Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 28 February 2006 | JENNIFER DOBNER

[PatrickHenry]

House lawmakers scuttled a bill that would have required public school students to be told that evolution is not empirically proven - the latest setback for critics of evolution.

The bill's sponsor, Republican state Sen. Chris Buttars, had said it was time to rein in teachers who were teaching that man descended from apes and rattling the faith of students. The Senate earlier passed the measure 16-12.

But the bill failed in the House on a 28-46 vote Monday. The bill would have required teachers to tell students that evolution is not a fact and the state doesn't endorse the theory.

Rep. Scott Wyatt, a Republican, said he feared passing the bill would force the state to then address hundreds of other scientific theories - "from Quantum physics to Freud" - in the same manner.

"I would leave you with two questions," Wyatt said. "If we decide to weigh in on this part, are we going to begin weighing in on all the others and are we the correct body to do that?"

Buttars said he didn't believe the defeat means that most House members think Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is correct.

"I don't believe that anybody in there really wants their kids to be taught that their great-grandfather was an ape," Buttars said.

The vote represents the latest loss for critics of evolution. In December, a federal judge barred the school system in Dover, Pa., from teaching intelligent design alongside evolution in high school biology classes.

Also last year, a federal judge ordered the school system in suburban Atlanta's Cobb County to remove from biology textbooks stickers that called evolution a theory, not a fact.

Earlier this year, a rural California school district canceled an elective philosophy course on intelligent design and agreed never to promote the topic in class again.

But critics of evolution got a boost in Kansas in November when the state Board of Education adopted new science teaching standards that treat evolution as a flawed theory, defying the view of science groups.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"1001


Will it go to 2002???


7:12 let the spam begin!!"

Don't post this crap to me again. Your constant spamming is tiresome.

[Elsie]

The possibility that members of a small religious sect which prohibits marriage outside the sect would all be related is not particularly interesting.

HMmm... you guts find it 'interesting' if the same thought is applied to Noah!

[Elsie]

Of course, he fled the country decades ago under an assumed name...

Jonah?? ;^)

[Elsie]

The only things in the middle of the road in Texas are white stripes and dead skunks.

It's OBVIOUS you've NEVER been in Texas!!!

Those are NOT skunks, but possums on the half shell: armidilloes!

[Elsie]

groan

[Elsie]

I hope I don't accidently ping HeWhoMustNotBePingedByElsie

[Elsie]

[Abraham Lincoln] "in great contests, each party claims to act in accordance with the will of God. Both may be, and one must be wrong."

What part of MAY slips past YOUR comprehension?

[Fester Chugabrew]

The critters would be deigned to express themselves within limits, as they do to this day. The biblical text indicates they were created after their kinds, which could reasonably be understood to mean that, where evolutionists find groups of animals having similar features, these all indeed have a common ancestor, the genetic makeup of which was rich enough to give wide expression over a relatively short period of time.

Take the current form of the human species. If we were to fossilize the skulls of everyone living today the variety would be astonishing, and could easily be interpreted as different "species" that developed over long periods of time. Yet they are all human. Having come from the first humans, it stands to reason that the first humans were designed with a compression of genetic data that would express itself in wide ranging patterns.

That is not to say environmental factors would not also have an effect. I am of the opinion that the weather patterns prior to the worldwide deluge were far less extreme. I would also seriously entertain the notion that pangaea preceded the deluge as well. Lastly, I think the greater part of the geological record we observe today is the result of catastrophic events that attended the flood.

Although I often come across as one who acerbically criticizes the theory of evolution, my criticism has more to do with the bigger picture certain people seem to draw from it, and the notion that it should for some reason be illegal or out of bounds to discuss intelligent design in a scientific context.

[Elsie]

Do you realize the energy required to move the continents rapidly from the pre-diluvian super-continent to their present location, and then to stop them?

A bit less than a BigBang?

[Elsie]

It appears you HAVE, you IDIOT!!!!


1121

[Elsie]

Well, I've detected an FR poster who must carry the Hemophilia gene.

Being pricked by Elsie causes uncontrollable bleeding.

[Thatcherite]

I'm confused

That was redundant. Your perpetual bewilderment in the face of simple logic and data is touching.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

You can still post to me, but I am asking you to not include me in your spam-a-thons. For instance, on this page, you have posted 21/32 posts. You are hijacking the thread with lame attempts at humor. Maybe that's your purpose; I don't care.

If you have something related to the thread to say, I don't mind being pinged. Otherwise, I'd rather you skipped me in your posting-frenzy.

[ToryHeartland]

What part of MAY slips past YOUR comprehension?

None whatsoever.

See my post 1105, which was a generic rather than a personalised posting, in the name of cordiality.

What part of 'Subtlety' is wasted on you?

...Oh, never mind...

[phantomworker]

However, evidence of the kangaroo's migration through Europe can be found in the reports of satyrs.

LOLOL! Typical logic.

[ToryHeartland]

Have you ever wondered if there are people who get paid just to fill up threads with solipsistic gibberish in order to make Conservatives look like knuckle-dragging scripture-spewing morons?

Please tell me I am being needlessly paranoid.

[phantomworker]

And here I was going to start being nice to you.

[Thatcherite]

Have you ever wondered if there are people who get paid just to fill up threads with solipsistic gibberish in order to make Conservatives look like knuckle-dragging scripture-spewing morons? Please tell me I am being needlessly paranoid.

I don't think you are. I've long suspected the same thing about several posters, naming no names.

[From many - one.]

Here ya go (pubmed citation):

Skorecki K, Selig S, Blazer S, Bradman R, Bradman N, Waburton PJ, Ismajlowicz M, Hammer MF.

Y chromosomes of Jewish priests.
Nature. 1997 Jan 2;385(6611):32. No abstract available.
PMID: 8985243 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Nature is a highly respected journal published in England. It should be in any large college or med schol library so you ould have no trouble finding it.

[From many - one.]

You keep forgetting the miracle factor.

It's not just biology, antediluvian physics, chemistry, and probably math didn't work the same way as ours.

That's why thinking is irrelvant.