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My Choice (moral relativism gone mad)
Hartford Courant ^
| 2/19/2006
| Rev. Donna Shaper
Posted on 02/21/2006 5:58:36 AM PST by Neville72
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To: Pietro
When my wife was pregnant with our 2nd child I was seriously worried I couldn't love the 2nd child as much as my first. I knew I would love the child but didn't believe I could love 2 children as much as I love my first. I was so upset at this I even confined in a friend of mine with 3 kids. He actually laughed at me and then assured me I would be able to love both children. I have learned since then, that the human heart has an incredible capacity for love and love my 3 children more everyday. Even if I wanted to, I could never chose to not love my children.
This woman is truly evil.
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posted on
02/21/2006 11:11:17 AM PST
by
dpa5923
(Small minds talk about people, normal minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas.)
To: Neville72
Obviously, protected sex is the most moral thing of all. Unprotected sex is adolescent, immature, sometimes life-threatening and always stupid. Unprotected sex is how the species reproduces. To call that "always stupid" says more about her embrace of the culture of death than she intends.
SD
To: Neville72
Thanks for the suggestions. My friend has checked into organizations such as those you suggest but he says that his wife's sense of shame is so great that she can't bring herself to discuss it with anyone except those very few closest to her. She needs absolution. This is why we Catholics have Sacramental confession. I'm not saying she needs to be Catholic or go to confession, but she does need to admit her sin to someone that she believes will offer her the assurance she needs that she is forgiven.
There is no shame in turning from your sin, in fact it is an occurance for rejoicing. I pray you find the right outlet to allow this to happen.
SD
To: cpforlife.org
This story reminded me of something that happened a while back.
A friend of mine was going to become a minister in the ELCA, and asked me to go to a Lenten service with him. Since I knew the pastor, I figured it would be fairly conservative.
A young woman got up at the end and started talking about fetal research. Her father has diabetes, and that type of "research" seemed promising to save his life. After all, the babies died anyway so it was ok to use them "for good". That is why she went into the field that she was in.
I was speechless. Afterwords, I wanted to ask how many children had to die for her father to live a few more years. What would be the cut off point?
That girl, like the woman in the article, were so self centered that they really don't think that anyone not connect to them is alive. Perhaps I am just odd to believe that using murdered babies for medical experiments is wrong.
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posted on
02/21/2006 11:17:29 AM PST
by
redgolum
("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
To: Godzilla
I chose, with some searching, to exercise my constitutional right and ended her birth. Although the constitution is a wonderful document, she fail (and failed miserably) to consult the proper document - the Bible.
There is absolutely nothing in the Constitution giving anybody the "right" to murder their child. The fact that a group of unelected judges want it to be there is irrelevant. The Bible clearly forbids killing which is exactly what this woman did.
Her cavalier attitude about this whole thing is disgusting, she seems to have given about as much thought to murdering her child as she would to ordering in a restaurant.
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posted on
02/21/2006 11:30:19 AM PST
by
wagglebee
("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
To: Neville72
I was not interested in a fourth child. But others might have been. If she didn't want it, why not let someone else have it?
I chose, with some searching, to exercise my constitutional right and ended her birth.
Not her birth, but her life.
I did what was right for me, for my family, for my work, for my husband and for my three children.
Her work? As a minister, God might have preferred it if she had taken a leave and allowed her 4th child to live. Oh, wait, her congregation was more important to her than her own child? They couldn't muddle on for a bit without her? Or maybe one of their group could have embraced a calling and stepped up to fill in. Hmmm.
They choose violence because, although they believe it is bad, it is still better than the alternatives. The "just war" theory assumes that human beings get caught in terrible choices all the time. This freedom is not just for men; it is for women also.
Aaah, this is what makes it a true barf piece, since she has acknolwedged that I can voice my opinion on her piece. War is a terrible, but sometimes Just War is a necessary choice. The presumption is that more lives will be saved because of the action. No one was 'saved' in hers. Only death. Only a one woman 'war' of aggression.
To: PeterPrinciple
I had an abortion. I am not bragging and I am not apologizing. I'm just guessing here, but I think someday her Boss is going to want an apology.
To: Neville72
I did what was right for me, for my family, for my work, for my husband and for my three children.
But not right for your unborn child!!
She makes me sick!
To: hellinahandcart
It would be interesting to know the not-for-profit status of this "church". Wonder if any of these speakers are funded by the DNC?
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:33:26 PM PST
by
Apple Blossom
(...around here, city hall is something of a between meals snack.)
To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...
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posted on
02/21/2006 12:48:32 PM PST
by
Coleus
(IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
To: RichInOC
From the site:
"Join the people of Judson in our struggle to minister with and care for thousands of homeless GLBT kids who wind up on the streets of New York because their families, churches, and denominations have refused to accept them as the God-given, beautiful children they are."
I had no idea their numbers were so many.
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posted on
02/21/2006 1:01:16 PM PST
by
Old Professer
(Fix the problem, not the blame!)
To: Neville72
This is how Wikipedia describes Judson Memorial Church:
The church's mission is devoted to social outreach, and established programs designed to help those in need despite the controversial or sometimes, unpopular, nature of that help. The church, for example, established local networks to aid women who needed abortions . . .
It does not say whether this church has any actual members.
To: SoothingDave
Great catch, SoothingDave!
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posted on
02/21/2006 1:13:48 PM PST
by
Tax-chick
(My remark was stupid, and I'm a slave of the patriarchy. So?)
To: Neville72
I did what I think men do all the time when they take us to war: They choose violence because, although they believe it is bad, it is still better than the alternatives. The "just war" theory assumes that human beings get caught in terrible choices all the time.
Evil men go to war because they believe that their greed, desires and glory is more important that the lives they destroy in war. Most men go to war to protect the people they care about from what they percieve as threats. A just war is waged first and foremost to protect the innocent and is self defense on a grand scale.
No one's life was threatened by this child. The child was the most innocent one who needed protection. The only thing threatened by this child was the parents' desires and lifestyle. This wretched creature should recognize her actions have more in common with the tyrants of the world than any man fighting a just war before she tries to draw parallels.
To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
What is to say that the soul is not instilled at conception for the first embryo, then the second when it splits off?
To: Neville72; Coleus; wagglebee
What an arrogant bitch!! (Pardon my French.)
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posted on
02/21/2006 2:39:00 PM PST
by
Irish_Thatcherite
(~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
To: SoothingDave
Unprotected sex is how the species reproduces. To call that "always stupid" says more about her embrace of the culture of death than she intends. Maybe this callous narcissist should be deprived of food and water, that way she can experience the same "euphoria" that Terri Schiavo did without the horrific torture her child endured.
It also occurred to me in rereading this that she seems very certain that the baby she murdered was a girl, that indicates that the pregnancy was progressed to a point that the sex could be determined in an ultrasound. So this parasite actually saw what her baby looked like, she could no longer say it was just some "cluster" of cells.
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posted on
02/21/2006 3:13:09 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
To: Irish_Thatcherite
You absolutely MUST take a look at this parasite's "church" (I see nothing to indicate a devotion to anything other than Satan and his Culture of Death) website. This wacko's next lecture is entitled "WHAT THE LEFT CAN BRING TO RELIGIOUS SOCIALISM" (as Rush Limbaugh would say, "you just can't make stuff like this up.").
http://www.judson.org/war.htm
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posted on
02/21/2006 3:21:56 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
To: wagglebee
Yes, I had a look around it - a far cry from Christianity!!
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posted on
02/21/2006 3:26:10 PM PST
by
Irish_Thatcherite
(~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
To: Neville72
"I chose, with some searching, to exercise
my constitutional right and ended her birth."
What a moron!!! And she is a MINISTER??? To what exactly, the church of Secular Humanism?
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posted on
02/21/2006 3:32:35 PM PST
by
Xenophon450
(Behead those who say Islam is violent)
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